Calculating Overlapping Charges: A Chemist's Query

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the interaction energy between two overlapping charge distributions represented by Gaussian functions. Participants explore the implications of overlapping charges and seek a method to address the complications arising from this overlap, particularly at the point where the distance between charges approaches zero.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the appropriateness of using equations designed for point charges in the context of overlapping charge distributions.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on whether the Gaussians represent regions where charge can be found or actual charge distributions, suggesting that overlapping charges may indicate a misunderstanding of the problem.
  • The original poster clarifies that they are referring to regions where charge can be found and aims to incorporate a repulsive component into a Madelung energy calculation to represent finite-sized ionic cores.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the concept of overlapping charges, with some suggesting that the terminology may be misleading. There is no consensus on how to properly address the interaction energy in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential misunderstandings regarding the definitions of charge distributions and the implications of overlapping fields. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical complexities involved in integrating the interaction energy.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to chemists and physicists dealing with charge distributions, particularly in the context of computational models and energy calculations in ionic systems.

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Another daft chemist question:

I'm looking at two charges spread over two overlapping Gaussians. I want the energy of the interaction, so, I take qq'/r and integrate first over one Gaussian then over the other... except for it all goes up the spout, because the charges are overlapping, and there are a lot of r=0.

There's got to be a really easy way round this, which doesn't involve disrupting the continuity of the Gaussians. What is it??
 
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The equations you are using are probably for point charges, I'm not sure you can really speak of overlapping charges - overlapping fileds certainly.
 
sphericalCat said:
Another daft chemist question:

I'm looking at two charges spread over two overlapping Gaussians.
What do these Gaussians represent ? Are they the regions where charge can be found or are they charge distributions ? The former seems acceptable, the latter is quite unlikely. Anyhow, one cannot be talking about overlapping charges, so there must be something wrong in your understanding of the problem. Could you elaborate some more on the problem description, please ?

marlon
 
Sorry, sloppy language on my part. We are talking about regions where charge can be found.

What I basically am trying do is to add a repulsive component to a Madelung energy calculation, so I need something to represent ionic cores of finite size.
 

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