Calculating percentage change in volume at constant pressure.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the percentage change in volume of ethanol when heated from 0 to 100 degrees Celsius at constant pressure, utilizing the coefficient of thermal expansion. Participants explore the mathematical integration of the thermal expansion equation and the implications of unit consistency.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the thermal expansion coefficient equation and attempts to calculate the percentage change in volume, arriving at a different answer than expected.
  • Another participant questions the units of the thermal expansion coefficient, noting the presence of both linear and quadratic temperature terms.
  • Some participants suggest integrating the equation to find the total change in volume, while others express uncertainty about their integration steps and results.
  • There is a discussion about whether the variable 't' in the coefficient should be interpreted as temperature in Kelvin or Celsius, with differing opinions on its implications for calculations.
  • One participant mentions that their calculations yield a different percentage change in volume, prompting further inquiry into their integration method.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to correctly integrate the thermal expansion equation and questions the accuracy of previous calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct approach to integration and the interpretation of units, with no consensus reached on the final answer or the method to achieve it.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of unit consistency in calculations and the need for detailed step-by-step integration to avoid errors, but specific assumptions and mathematical steps remain unresolved.

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Students and educators in thermodynamics, physics, or engineering may find this discussion relevant, particularly those interested in thermal expansion calculations and the importance of dimensional analysis.

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Homework Statement



The coefficient of the thermal expansion of ethanol is given by:

[itex]\alpha[/itex] (per degree Celsius) = 1.0414 x 10^(-3) + 1.5672 x 10^(-6) t + 5.148 X 10^(-8) t^2

Calculate the percentage change in volume when ethanol is heated from 0 to 100 (celsius) at constant pressure.

Homework Equations



alpha = (1/V)(partial(V)/(partial(T))(at constant P)

The Attempt at a Solution



I simply rearranged the above equation and integrated with limits T1 and T2:

delta(V) = (alpha/2)(100)^2 = 5.123..something but the answer is 13.8 %

Can someone also comment on the units of alpha? Its confusing because the units t and t^2 are included. From a mathematical point of view, we can't just add them..( or that's what i think at least).
 
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waqaszeb said:

Homework Statement



The coefficient of the thermal expansion of ethanol is given by:

[itex]\alpha[/itex] (per degree Celsius) = 1.0414 x 10^(-3) + 1.5672 x 10^(-6) t + 5.148 X 10^(-8) t^2

Calculate the percentage change in volume when ethanol is heated from 0 to 100 (celsius) at constant pressure.

Homework Equations



alpha = (1/V)(partial(V)/(partial(T))(at constant P)

The Attempt at a Solution



I simply rearranged the above equation and integrated with limits T1 and T2:

delta(V) = (alpha/2)(100)^2 = 5.123..something but the answer is 13.8 %

Can someone also comment on the units of alpha? Its confusing because the units t and t^2 are included. From a mathematical point of view, we can't just add them..( or that's what i think at least).

You're wise to question units (dimensions). Too few people do that, including a former PhD boss of mine! Yet it's a very powerful way to check your computations as you go along.

The answer of course is that the t coefficient has units of K-1and the t2 coefficient has units of K-2. All terms must be dimensionless as is α.

Just out of curiosity, why did you use t instead of T in your expression for α?

You need to integrate to get ΔV/V over 0 to 100 deg C.
 
rude man said:
You're wise to question units (dimensions). Too few people do that, including a former PhD boss of mine! Yet it's a very powerful way to check your computations as you go along.

The answer of course is that the t coefficient has units of K-1and the t2 coefficient has units of K-2. All terms must be dimensionless as is α.

Just out of curiosity, why did you use t instead of T in your expression for α?

You need to integrate to get ΔV/V over 0 to 100 deg C.


Hey, thanks for you help! I got ΔV/V = (alpha)(T dt), which I integrated from 0 to 100. The answer I get now is 20.86..I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong..

As for the units of alpha..I don't know why its t and not T. This is a question from Chemical Thermodynamics by Peter A. Rock.
 
waqaszeb said:
Hey, thanks for you help! I got ΔV/V = (alpha)(T dt), which I integrated from 0 to 100. The answer I get now is 20.86..I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong..

I don't see your integral. What is it?

As for the units of alpha..I don't know why its t and not T. This is a question from Chemical Thermodynamics by Peter A. Rock.

I assume t is in Kelvin, not centigrade. Double-check this!
 
rude man said:
I don't see your integral. What is it?



I assume t is in Kelvin, not centigrade. Double-check this!

I integrated both (ΔV/V)= (alpha) dt [from 0 to 100] = alpha (100) = wrong answer
and (ΔV/V) = (alpha)(T) dt [ from 0 to 100) = alpha x 2 x ( 100^2 - 0^2 ) = 20.86

the answer in the back of my textbook says the answer is 13.8 %
 
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waqaszeb said:
I integrated both (ΔV/V)= (alpha) dt [from 0 to 100] = alpha (100) = wrong answer
the answer in the back of my textbook says the answer is 13.8 %

OK, I got the same answer (13.8%) if I assume t is in deg C.

You did right by setting ΔV/V = αΔt or, let's be sophisticated physicists, dV/V = αdt. I need to see your work step-by-step to see what the error was you made, because you took the right tack in integrating this equation.
 
Here's what I did:

dv/V = [itex]\alpha[/itex] dt = [itex]\alpha[/itex] T (100-0) [ after integration ] = [itex]\alpha[/itex] (100-0) = [itex]\alpha[/itex] (100) = 10.43 for me..

I added the three quantities of alpha and then multiplied by 100. I also multiplied each individual quantity to 100 and then added them together. the answer is still wrong..
 
waqaszeb said:
Here's what I did:

dv/V = [itex]\alpha[/itex] dt = [itex]\alpha[/itex] T (100-0) [ after integration ] = [itex]\alpha[/itex] (100-0) = [itex]\alpha[/itex] (100) = 10.43 for me..

I added the three quantities of alpha and then multiplied by 100. I also multiplied each individual quantity to 100 and then added them together. the answer is still wrong..

dV/V is a differential fractional increase in volume. You did not compute the total fractional change in volume.

And you did not integrate α(t)dt from 0 to 100C either.

Integrate both sides of this equation correctly & what do you get?
 
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Got it. Thank you so much!
 

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