Calculating Rod Strength: Help with Oak Rod Homework Problem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the calculation of the strength of an oak rod, specifically focusing on determining the maximum mass it can support and the minimum mass that will break it when dropped. The problem includes considerations of material properties and the dynamics of impact.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) seeks assistance in calculating the maximum mass a 9 m oak rod can support and the minimum mass that will break it when dropped from the top.
  • One participant suggests considering the impact of a falling mass on the catch plate and how the rod will stretch and potentially fail, emphasizing the need for assumptions about the collision.
  • Another participant notes the lack of a specific formula for calculating the resulting force from the drop height and expresses uncertainty about the approach.
  • A different viewpoint proposes modeling the rod as a spring, suggesting that the kinetic energy of the falling mass could be transferred into the spring-like behavior of the rod to determine the necessary stretch distance for breaking.
  • Concerns are raised about the phrasing "each rod," with participants questioning whether multiple rods are involved or if it refers to a single rod of that type.
  • One participant emphasizes that the problem is classic but notes the absence of a universal formula applicable in all cases, highlighting the complexity of impact dynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the correct approach to the problem and the interpretation of the wording related to the number of rods. There is no consensus on a specific method or formula to apply, and multiple competing views on how to model the situation remain present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of available information, including the lack of a clear formula for the impact scenario and the assumptions that must be made regarding the collision dynamics.

johnlogie

Homework Statement



An example in my problem set (homework help) An oak rod is hung from a rigid support.
The rod has a diameter = 12 mm, length = 9 m, and a catch plate at its base.
a) The maximum mass of a weight that each rod can support.
b) The minimum mass of a weight that will break the rod when dropped from the top of the rod.
Numbers I think can be used: E (stiffness) = 14000 MPa
Yield Tensile strength = 75 MPa
Ultimate tensile strength = 90 MPa

Homework Equations


I can not find a formula to calculate the following question, any help would be appreciated,
Thank you for your help!

The Attempt at a Solution


I solved A but struggling in b) these are all the information provided to us in the question.
 
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Drop a mass, it falls 9 meters. What is going to happen when it strikes the catch plate? How will the oak rod stretch (and eventually fail). That is the way I think to approach it. You will need to make some assumptions (and state them) about how the collision between the mass and catch plate occurs.
 
Thank you for your reply,

The thing is, I don't have a formula in mind in which I can plug the 9m and get the resulting force, I think it's pretty obvious but I can't recall it !
 
So it has been awhile since I've done one of these. Is it possible that you could model the beam as sort of a spring? I'm not positive but I think it can be done. Then you could say that the mass has a certain amount of kinetic energy, this could be transferred into the spring (and figure out how far the "spring" stretches).
If you can figure the stretch distance necessary to break, then work backwards to see what mass will cause that amount.
 
johnlogie said:
The maximum mass of a weight that each rod can support.

The mention of "each rod" is confusing. Is there more than one wooden rod involved?

In many respects, this is a classic problem, and the OP has identified the nature of the problem when he said
johnlogie said:
I don't have a formula in mind in which I can plug the 9m and get the resulting force.

The problem is, nobody has such a formula that works in all cases. It depends upon what happens during the impact, and the time is too short for it to be well observed. What SCOTTDAVE has proposed is as good as anything for a homework problem with no further information given.
 
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johnlogie said:
a) The maximum mass of a weight that each rod can support.

Dr.D said:
The mention of "each rod" is confusing. Is there more than one wooden rod involved?
My take is that there is only one rod, and "each rod" means "each rod of this type."
 

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