Calculating Speed on a Ramp: Related Rates Problem

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The problem involves calculating the speed of a girl exiting a ramp, given her initial speed, the height, and the length of the ramp. The context is related rates in calculus, with a focus on the relationship between speed, height, and distance on an inclined plane.

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  • Participants explore using trigonometric relationships and conservation of energy principles to find the final speed. Some express uncertainty about the appropriateness of using physical concepts versus calculus methods.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering different perspectives on the problem. Some suggest using energy conservation while others emphasize the need for a calculus-based approach. There is a recognition of missing information regarding the specifics of the girl's mode of entry onto the ramp.

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Participants note that the problem lacks details about the girl's mode of entry (e.g., whether she is on a vehicle or walking) and question whether energy exertion should be considered. There is also a mention of the problem being from a calculus textbook, which raises concerns about the expected approach.

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A girl enters a ramp with a speed of 30ft/s. The ramp has 4ft in height and 15ft in length. Calculate the speed at which she comes out of the ramp.


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I was thinking of just using cosθ=x/z, and just plugging in the values of the derivative (when she enters the ramp) and the value of the length of the ramp and the diagonal distance (finding cosθ with tan-1θ; which gives me a final result of 8. However is this solution right? I'm not sure if my procedure is correct (and i don't have the answer to the exercise).
 
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If the ramp is frictionless, you can use conservation of energy to figure out the change in her kinetic energy from the change in her gravitational potential energy.

[itex]E_{total} = K + U = \text{Const}[/itex]

[itex]\Delta E_{total} = \Delta U + \Delta K =0[/itex]

[itex]\Delta U = mg (z_{f}-z_{i})[/itex]

[itex]\Delta K = \frac{1}{2}m (v_{f}^{2}-v_{i}^{2})[/itex]

By knowing her initial speed and her change in height, you can figure out her final speed.
 
I've also used that equation, but they are asking me to use calculus and not physical concepts. That's why I'm lost.
 
fogvajarash said:
I've also used that equation, but they are asking me to use calculus and not physical concepts. That's why I'm lost.
You'll need to use some physical concepts, since this is a physics problem. If you want to use calculus, start with the acceleration and see if you can derive the appropriate kinematic formula.
 
There's a lot left out here! "A girl enters a ramp". Is the girl riding a car, a bicycle, or a horse? Or is she walking? Are we to assume that she (or her car or horse) does not exert any energy to get up the ramp?
 
HallsofIvy said:
There's a lot left out here! "A girl enters a ramp". Is the girl riding a car, a bicycle, or a horse? Or is she walking? Are we to assume that she (or her car or horse) does not exert any energy to get up the ramp?
She's a waterskier and enters the ramp. I'm not really sure what the problem is asking for, as it only gives out that basic information. If it's in a Calculus textbook, i really doubt i have to apply physical concepts.
 

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