Calculating the amount of emitted heat

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the amount of heat emitted by an object, specifically a long rod, flying quickly through the atmosphere. Participants explore the theoretical and practical aspects of heat transfer due to atmospheric drag, including the parameters needed for such calculations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires whether the heat emitted can be calculated based on speed, altitude, and time spent in flight, and suggests using an online calculator for temperature.
  • Another participant proposes using the convection heat transfer equation, q=hA deltaT, to determine the heat transfer into the rod, but expresses uncertainty about the calculator's applicability.
  • Clarifications are provided regarding the variables in the convection heat transfer equation, including the definitions of q, h, A, and deltaT.
  • Further elaboration on deltaT is given, noting that it involves a combination of various temperature measurements relevant to supersonic flow, although the exact calculation method is not recalled.
  • A participant calculates the surface area of the rod and discusses specific parameters such as speed and temperature, referencing the online calculator for total temperature of a calorically imperfect gas.
  • One participant shares an excerpt from a heat transfer textbook as a resource for estimating heat generated by supersonic flow, suggesting it could assist in the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various approaches to calculating heat transfer, but there is no consensus on the exact methods or parameters to use. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the calculations and the applicability of the online calculator.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations in recalling specific equations and calculations related to heat transfer in supersonic flow, indicating a reliance on external resources for clarification.

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Imagine that some object (a long rod for example) is flying in atmosphere very quickly. If we know its speed, altitude and also amount of time spent during flight-can we calculate the amount of heat emitted during this quick motion (due to atmospheric drag)? I would like to know if that object is melted/boiled or no :smile: the temperature can be calculated by means of this online-calculator here: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/BGH/stagtmp.html Now, how the emitted heat should be calculated? The temperature should be multiplied to time? And should we compare the received result to materials heat capacity? :rolleyes:
 
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I know you can solve for the convection heat transfer coefficient and just do q=hA deltaT (convection heat trans equation) to get the heat transfer into the object (rod in this case). Whether or not you can do this using this calculator, I'm not sure.
 
timthereaper said:
I know you can solve for the convection heat transfer coefficient and just do q=hA deltaT (convection heat trans equation) to get the heat transfer into the object (rod in this case). Whether or not you can do this using this calculator, I'm not sure.
Q-is amount of heat as I know, but what are h, A and deltaT? T is Temperature obviously :smile:
 
In this case, q is the rate of heat exchange (energy per time), but h is the coefficient of convection heat transfer and A is the surface area that the fluid (air) is in contact with, usually the surface area of the object. The deltaT is temperature, but if I remember my supersonic flow equations, the temperatures here are a kind of combination of the adiabatic stagnation temperature, the material surface temperature and the actual free-stream temperature. I can't remember exactly how to calculate it, but any introductory heat transfer text could tell you.
 
timthereaper said:
In this case, q is the rate of heat exchange (energy per time), but h is the coefficient of convection heat transfer and A is the surface area that the fluid (air) is in contact with, usually the surface area of the object. The deltaT is temperature, but if I remember my supersonic flow equations, the temperatures here are a kind of combination of the adiabatic stagnation temperature, the material surface temperature and the actual free-stream temperature. I can't remember exactly how to calculate it, but any introductory heat transfer text could tell you.

So, how these q and h can be calculated? Imagine that we have got long rod with following parameters-1000 m length, 1 m radius. The surface area of such cylinder would b:
A = 2πr2 + 2πrh = 2πr(r + h).
A = 2*3.14*r2 + 2*3.14*r*1000 =6.28+6280= 6286.28 square meters
As for temperature, let’s rod’s speed be 3000 m/sec and altitude 0 meters (sea level), as we these at this site http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/BGH/stagtmp.html the Total temperature of calorically imperfect gas (this should be takes, right?) is 4008 K, then what? :smile:
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I have attached an excerpt from the 10th edition "Heat Transfer" textbook by J.P. Holman. This is what I would use to estimate the heat generated by supersonic flow. The calculator will save you some time in determining the temperatures you will need to use. See if this helps.
 

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timthereaper said:
I have attached an excerpt from the 10th edition "Heat Transfer" textbook by J.P. Holman. This is what I would use to estimate the heat generated by supersonic flow. The calculator will save you some time in determining the temperatures you will need to use. See if this helps.

Thanks :smile: I will take a look at it :smile:
 

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