Calculating the Divergence of an Electrostatic Field at the Origin

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The discussion revolves around calculating the divergence of an electrostatic field generated by a point charge and understanding its behavior at the origin. The subject area includes electrostatics and vector calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the divergence of the electric field and question the correctness of the initial results. There is confusion regarding the meaning of the charge density ρ and its implications at different locations. The relationship between the electric field and potential is also explored.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the definitions and implications of the divergence result. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of point charges and the electric field at specific coordinates, but no consensus has been reached on the correctness of the calculations or the problem's validity.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of point charge behavior and the mathematical relationships in electrostatics, with specific attention to the divergence theorem and its application in this context.

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Homework Statement



The electrostatic field of a point charge q is E=\frac{q}{4 \pi \epsilon r^3} r. Calculate the divergence of E. What happens at the origin?

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Well the solution is: \nabla.E= \partialEx/\partialx + \partialEy/\partialy + \partialEz/\partialz

Ex= \frac{qx}{4 \pi \epsilon r^3} and Ey=\frac{qy}{4 \pi \epsilon r^3} and Ez=\frac{qz}{4 \pi \epsilon r^3} and r= \sqrt{x^2 + y^2 + z^2}

After calculation I found the result \nabla.E= \partialEx/\partialx + \partialEy/\partialy + \partialEz/\partialz= 0
Is it correct? I think it is wrong! Then why it is wrong?
Somewhere else I saw that the result was \nabla.E= \frac{\rho}{\epsilon} !
 
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rado5 said:
Somewhere else I saw that the result was \nabla.E= \frac{\rho}{\epsilon} !

What is \rho in this case (a point particle)? It's definitely zero at most places, but where is it not?
 
clamtrox said:
What is \rho in this case (a point particle)? It's definitely zero at most places, but where is it not?

I really don't know what \rho is here! But do you mean that I calculated it in the correct way?
 
All the charge of a pointlike particle is located at a single point (that's why it's called pointlike). At what coordinates is the charge located in this case? What values does the electric field get there?
 
clamtrox said:
All the charge of a pointlike particle is located at a single point (that's why it's called pointlike). At what coordinates is the charge located in this case? What values does the electric field get there?
Oh thank you for telling me the definition of a pointlike particle, because I didn't know that all the charge is located at a single point! The coordinate is cartesian. I have to translate the main problem, well I will try.
The main problem is this:

If E is the electrostatic field and \Phi is the potential of the electrostatic field prove that: \int\rho\Phidv= \epsilon\int E2dv by using this theorem
\nabla.(\PhiE)=\Phi(\nabla.E)+(\nabla\Phi).E

It is actually an example and in the solution it says that we know \nabla.E=\frac{\rho}{\epsilon} and also E=-\nabla\Phi and also it says that \int\nabla.(\PhiE)dv= 0
Do you think it's a correct problem? I mean is it right or wrong, the solution!
 
rado5 said:
Oh thank you for telling me the definition of a pointlike particle, because I didn't know that all the charge is located at a single point! The coordinate is cartesian.

So do you now know what the charge distribution is?

You also misunderstood my question. At what location is the particle in? In terms of x,y,z? And what is the value of the electric field there?


rado5 said:
If E is the electrostatic field and \Phi is the potential of the electrostatic field prove that: \int\rho\Phidv= \epsilon\int E2dv by using this theorem
\nabla.(\PhiE)=\Phi(\nabla.E)+(\nabla\Phi).E

It is actually an example and in the solution it says that we know \nabla.E=\frac{\rho}{\epsilon} and also E=-\nabla\Phi and also it says that \int\nabla.(\PhiE)dv= 0
Do you think it's a correct problem? I mean is it right or wrong, the solution!

This problem has nothing to do with the question you asked earlier :) To solve it, you only have to use the formulas that you are given.
 

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