Calculating the number of turns and thickness of an electromagnet

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the number of turns and wire thickness for a homemade electromagnet intended for use in a racecar. Participants explore various aspects of electromagnet design, including wire gauge, magnetic field strength, and electrical parameters.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to determine the number of turns and wire thickness for their electromagnet, providing specific dimensions and current availability.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of the product of amps and turns (NI) in calculating magnetic field strength and suggests reviewing wire gauge tables for appropriate wire selection.
  • There is a suggestion to create an engineering sketch of the electromagnet and calculate various parameters, including wire resistance and voltage needed for the desired current.
  • Questions arise regarding the meaning of wire gauge (Ga.) and the implications of selecting a specific gauge for carrying the required current.
  • One participant provides data about wire gauge and dimensions, asking for guidance on subsequent calculations related to turns, wire length, resistance, and voltage.
  • Another participant reiterates the need to calculate the number of turns, estimated wire length, resistance, and amp-turns, referencing an earlier equation for magnetic field strength.
  • A participant shares a link to a calculation tool for electromagnetism, inviting others to test it and provide feedback.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to calculate various parameters for the electromagnet, but there are differing views on the appropriate wire gauge and its implications for current carrying capacity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal design choices and calculations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential dependencies on specific definitions of wire gauge and assumptions about the core material's properties. The calculations and recommendations are contingent on the provided dimensions and current specifications.

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I'm working on a homemade electromagnet, to use on my racecar :biggrin:
I want to calculate the number of turns of an electromagnet and the thickness of the wire.

But i have tried to search arround in books, and can't really find any thing.

I know my wire is 0,114mm and dimensions for electromagnet is

height: 7mm
width: 12mm
lenght: 57mm

The form is like a horseshoe, but with 90* edge. Picture is linked:

http://oi47.tinypic.com/15zqlv8.jpg

My material of the core is steel (ignore the fact about type of steel)

I have 0,7 ampere for use.
 
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Please review the equations for the magnetic field strength B in the attachment. In particular, understand the derivation of equation (6).The important parameter of the coil is NI, the product of amps times turns.
Please review the copper wire gauge table at http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm
Your wire diameter (0.114 mm) is roughly 38 Ga. However, you will need 22 or 24 Ga. copper to carry 0.7 amps.
 

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i want to calculate number of turns
 
Make an engineering sketch of your electromagnet including coil dimensions. Select the proper copper wire gauge from the copper wire table. Using the wire diameter, calculate the number of turns you can fit into the space for the coils. Using the calculated length of the wire, calculate the wire resistance and the voltage needed to get 0.7 amps. Now calculate the amp turns. Using equation (6) in my earlier post, is the magnet strong enough?
 
The G stands for Gauge or what?
 
The first column in the wire gauge table is the wire gauge (Ga.) number. The third column is the wire diameter in mm. The fifth column is the ohms per 1000 meters. Use column 7 for the maximum amps in a coil.
 
This is my data
37 0.0045 0.1143 523.1 1715 0.17 0.0289 1350 kHz

And what should i do then?

The one with AWG 37
 
So your wire selection is 37 Ga.?

1) How many turns can you fit into the allowed dimensioned space for your coil?
2) What is the estimated wire length?
3) What is the estimated wire resistance?
4) Using the recommended maximum wire current 0f 0.03 amps, calculate the the required voltage.
5) Calculate the amp-turns of the coil.
6) Using equation (6). calculate the B field.
 
thanks bob :-)
 

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