Calculating Velocity of Propelled Object Using Bernoulli's Equation

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The discussion revolves around calculating the velocity of a propelled object using Bernoulli's equation, specifically in the context of a container filled with water and pressurized air. Participants are exploring the dynamics of thrust generated by the expulsion of water and air through an opening in the container.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to determine the thrust produced by a container with water and compressed air. Questions include the specifics of the problem setup, such as the presence of air in the container and the pressure conditions. Some participants are also exploring the application of Bernoulli's equation and its implications for calculating velocity and thrust.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications and hints regarding the application of Bernoulli's equation. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem, and some participants are expressing uncertainty about the calculations involved.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a specific problem involving a container with defined volume and pressure conditions. There are assumptions being made about the system, such as the water covering the hole and the exclusion of aerodynamic effects.

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is there a formula which i can use to determine the the velocity of an object propelled by a gas under compression and a fluid?
thanks
Pavadrin
 
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pavadrin said:
is there a formula which i can use to determine the the velocity of an object propelled by a gas under compression and a fluid?
Can you clarify? What exactly is the problem you are trying to solve?

AM
 
Im given a conatainer at a set volume, with an amount of water which is given to me, both in volume and mass. I need to work out the amount of thrust which this vessel could expel, exculding the aerodynamics of the vessel.
thanks
 
pavadrin said:
Im given a conatainer at a set volume, with an amount of water which is given to me, both in volume and mass. I need to work out the amount of thrust which this vessel could expel, exculding the aerodynamics of the vessel.
thanks
The thrust is given by dp/dt = vdm/dt where dm/dt is the time rate of change of mass of the system.

?? Why not just give us the problem? Is there air in the container? Are you given the pressure?

AM
 
okay the problem is as follows:
In a container with the volume of 1.5L, 500mL of water is introduced, as well as 100psi of air pressure. Calculate the amount of thrust this vessel will be able to provide if the air and water is allowed to escape through a 5mm opening.
if nobody is able this question, don't stress, and sorry for an inconveniences which may have been a result of my bad post.
 
pavadrin said:
okay the problem is as follows:
In a container with the volume of 1.5L, 500mL of water is introduced, as well as 100psi of air pressure. Calculate the amount of thrust this vessel will be able to provide if the air and water is allowed to escape through a 5mm opening.
Assume that the water covers the hole. What is the speed at which water will be ejected through the hole? (Hint: look up Bernouilli's equation). Then determine the rate at which mass (water) leaves the container. Then just use F = dp/dt = vdm/dt to determine the thrust.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
Assume that the water covers the hole. What is the speed at which water will be ejected through the hole? (Hint: look up Bernouilli's equation). Then determine the rate at which mass (water) leaves the container. Then just use F = dp/dt = vdm/dt to determine the thrust.

AM
thanks Andrew Mason, ill shall look up the suggested equation and then re-post if i encounter more problems.
thanks once again,
Pavadrin
 
im not sure on how to apply Bernouilli's equation. What I found on the internet about this eqaution is:change in pressure+change in kinetic energy/volume=0. I do not know how to calculate kinetic energy, but I do know that potential energy loss=kinetic energy gain. If what I have sated about Bernouilli's equation is correct, then I have calculated the change in pressure as being 588.2 kPa or 85.308 Psi, (assuming that the atmosphere pressure outside of the container is 101.3 kPa)
 

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