Calculating Voltage in a Battery: Answers to Your Questions

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The discussion centers around the calculation of voltage in a battery, exploring the underlying principles and mechanisms involved. Participants address both theoretical aspects and practical examples, including the role of chemical reactions and the relationship between charge separation and voltage.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how voltage is calculated in a battery, suggesting a relationship to Coulomb's law and potential energy, and asks if it is distance dependent.
  • Another participant proposes that voltage arises from the potential of the metals and chemicals used in a battery, citing an example of creating a battery with steel and aluminum in seawater.
  • A different participant asserts that batteries operate through chemical reactions rather than charge separation, emphasizing that the voltage depends on the materials used in the electrochemical cells.
  • One participant provides historical context, mentioning Volta's misconceptions about batteries and explaining that the voltage is related to the energy released by chemical reactions, with specific examples of different cell chemistries and their typical voltages.
  • A later reply challenges the initial claim about distance dependency, clarifying that voltage is a potential difference that does not depend on the distance between battery plates or wire length, but rather on the energy given to charges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between voltage and distance, with some asserting that voltage is not distance dependent, while others suggest it may be relevant in certain contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the initial question about voltage calculation.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various principles and examples, but there are unresolved assumptions about the definitions of voltage and potential difference, as well as the specific conditions under which certain claims apply.

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Hi :)
It might seems a stupid question but I can't find any answer for it ^^

I have a question: how voltage is calculated in a battery?

Let's say you create a battery with - 1 C of charge of electrons on the and the other side + 1 C of charge, could you tell me what is the voltage of this battery? According to Coulombs law the force F needed is (kQ1Q2)/distance² If we keep this track the potential energy W = F X distance which will give us kQ1Q2/distance, so voltage is still distance dependent, right? Is it calculated from a mean distance between the two terminals (like the middle of each cell?)

Thanks for your help!
 
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Amyriel said:
I have a question: how voltage is calculated in a battery?
That is an effect of the potential of the metals and chemicals used. Take a piece of steel and a piece of aluminum, connect wires to them and lower them into the sea (not the freshwater kind) a couple of centimeters apart. You have now created a battery, it is able to drive a current through an amperemeter.
 
Thats not how a battery works. Batteries don't separate charges like a capacitor does. They use chemical reactions to create a voltage. Each electrochemical cell's voltage depends entirely on what its made of. There are charts and tables all over the net that can tell you the voltage for a particular type of cell.
 
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Don't feel stupid...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_(electricity )

Volta did not appreciate that the voltage was due to chemical reactions. He thought that his cells were an inexhaustible source of energy,[6] and that the associated corrosion effects at the electrodes were a mere nuisance, rather than an unavoidable consequence of their operation, as Michael Faraday showed in 1834

The voltage developed across a cell's terminals depends on the energy release of the chemical reactions of its electrodes and electrolyte. Alkaline and zinc–carbon cells have different chemistries, but approximately the same emf of 1.5 volts; likewise NiCd and NiMH cells have different chemistries, but approximately the same emf of 1.2 volts.[17] The high electrochemical potential changes in the reactions of lithium compounds give lithium cells emfs of 3 volts or more.[/quote]
 
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Thank you so much! I know now where I need to look at :)
 
Amyriel said:
so voltage is still distance dependent, right?
Not right, as a general principle. Voltage is PotentiaL Difference, which does not depend on distance apart of battery plates or length of wire. It depends upon the Energy that's been given to Charges (Volts = Joules per Coulomb).
It is true that, for a particular Field (=Volts per Metre) then the PD across two points in that field will be dependent on their separation. But that is not relevant to batteries - unless increasing distance involves inserting more battery cells in series.
 

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