Calculating Wind Velocity Given Force, Air Density

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of calculating wind velocity given the force exerted by the wind on an object and the known air density. Participants explore the theoretical and practical aspects of this calculation, including the use of aerodynamic coefficients and measurement techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is possible to determine wind velocity from the force exerted and air density.
  • Another participant mentions that this is essentially how anemometers function, implying that it is indeed possible to calculate wind velocity.
  • A detailed equation for aerodynamic force is provided, indicating that the force can be expressed as F = 1/2 ρ V² S C, where C is a coefficient that varies based on conditions and must be measured or estimated.
  • It is noted that calculating velocity from the force requires knowledge of the aerodynamic coefficient C, which can complicate the process due to its dependence on factors like the Reynolds number.
  • One participant suggests that using a pitot-static tube could be a practical method for measuring wind velocity.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the units used in the force calculation, specifically asking for the units of the aerodynamic coefficient C.
  • A clarification is provided that C is dimensionless and that the other quantities in the equation combine to yield force units, with an example of consistent units given.
  • Further explanation is offered about how a pitot-static tube measures wind velocity by comparing pressure in two chambers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of agreement on the feasibility of calculating wind velocity from force and air density. While some agree on the theoretical basis and practical methods, others highlight complications and uncertainties related to the aerodynamic coefficient and measurement techniques.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the conditions under which the aerodynamic coefficient C can be determined and the limitations of using theoretical models versus empirical measurements. The iterative nature of calculating velocity based on varying coefficients is also noted.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in fluid dynamics, aerodynamics, and practical applications of wind measurement techniques, such as engineers and physics students.

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If I know the force that a wind is exerting on an object, is it be possible to determine what velocity the wind is moving at? I also know the air density.
 
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That's pretty much how anemometers work, so it's definitely possible.
I'm afraid that I can't supply any formulae, though.
 
The aerodynamic force acting on a solid body can be expressed by a general equation:

F = [tex]1/2 \rho V^2 S C[/tex]

Where:
C is a force coefficient (either lift Cl, drag Cd or Cx, or whatever you're looking for)
S is a reference area (either frontal area, wing area for airplanes etc.)

The problem lies in the coefficient C. It depends on some adimensional numbers (Mach number and Reynolds number in most cases) and is usualy measured in a wind tunnel on a scaled model of the object.

If you were able to measure the force acting on the solid body, and if you knew the value of the aerodynamic coefficient C, then you wuld be also able to calculate the velocity from the formula above.

If you only knew the values of C vs. V (through Reynolds number) then it would necessarily be an iterative process, since you would have to estimate an initial V, then you would calculate C for that V, then you would recalculate V with that value of C, and then recalculate C with the new value of V, and so on and so on and so on... till the convergence of the result. :zzz:

On the other hand, if you had data (from real-scale or wind-tunnel measurements) which relate directly F to V (usually for incompressible flows and near-standard temperatures) then the process is straightforward: measure F --> read V from the F-V curve.
 
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In practice, that method is difficult, but what you could do is use a pito-static tube.
 
Daiquiri said:
The aerodynamic force acting on a solid body can be expressed by a general equation:

F = [tex]1/2 \rho V^2 S C[/tex]
...
Can you add units I shall use to calculate force?

I found that Cx for flat wall is 1.5

R
 
C has no units. The other quantities on the right-hand-side of the equation combine to give force units.

As long as you use a consistent set of units for the different quantities, the result will be a force. For example:

[tex]\rho[/tex] in kg/m^3
V in m/s
S in m^2

Resulting units are
(kg / m^3) * (m/s)^2 * m^2
= (kg / m^3) * (m^2 / s^2) * m^2
= (kg / m^3) * m^4 / s^2
= kg * m / s^2
= Newtons
 
Thank you
 
As mentiond the pitot-static tube measures wind velocity, and does so via comparason of the pressure (force per unit area) in 2chambers connected to tubes, one that face into the wind and and one perpendicular to the wind.
 

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