Calculating Work for a Bead on a Square Loop in an Electric Field

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The problem involves calculating the work done on a small bead located on a square loop in the xz plane within a specified electric field. The electric field is defined as \(\vec{E}(\vec{r})=-Cx\hat{z}\), and the task is to evaluate the work \(W\) using the integral \(W= \int q\vec{E}\bullet dl\).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of the integral for calculating work, with some focusing on the direction of the electric field and the path taken by the bead. There is an exploration of the dot product and the implications of the electric field's direction on work done.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes attempts to clarify the correct formulation of the integral and the evaluation of work along specific segments of the loop. Some participants express uncertainty about the contributions to work from different segments, particularly where the electric field does not align with the displacement.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that there may be confusion regarding the application of the electric field in different directions and the resulting work calculations, particularly at points where the displacement is constant in the z direction.

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Homework Statement


A small bead is on square loop in the xz plane with dimensions (±R, 0, ±R). An electric field is turned that is ##\vec{E}(\vec{r})=-Cx\hat{z}##

Calculate W

Homework Equations



##W= \int q\vec{E}\bullet dl##

The Attempt at a Solution


Starting with z direction:

[tex]q\int_{-R}^R -Cx\hat{z} (dx\hat{x} + dy\hat{y}+ dz\hat{z})[/tex]

=##-Cq \frac {x^2}{2} |_{-R}^R=-CqR^2##

I believe that the total work would just be 2 times this quantity because since the E field isn't in the correct direction in order to move the charge in the x direction. But this doesn't make sense to me within the problem context. Am I missing something?
 
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hi scorpius1782! :smile:

(type \cdot not \bullet :wink:)
scorpius1782 said:
[tex]q\int_{-R}^R -Cx\hat{z} (dx\hat{x} + dy\hat{y}+ dz\hat{z})[/tex]

sorry, but that makes no sense :redface:

you need to write a dot product

try again (and use a specific arm of the loop) :smile:
 
thank you for the \cdot! I couldn't remember what it was (kept thinking \vdot) so I gave up and used bullet.
the vertical (z) part of the box from -R to R at x=-R
##\int_{-R}^R-Cqx\hat{z}\cdot dz \hat{z}##

I didn't think of it before but since here x=-R I can put that in for x in this integral. I believe that since there is no change in x or y then dx and dy are zero.

This means that ##CqR\int_{-R}^R\hat{z}\hat{z}dz=CqR(R+R)=2CqR^2##

Then for x=R: ##\int_{R}^{-R}-CqR\hat{z}\cdot dz \hat{z}##
##=-CqR\int_{R}^{-R}\hat{z}\hat{z}dz=-CqR(-R-R)=-2CqR^2##

Is this better?
 
scorpius1782 said:
… x=-R …

This means that ##CqR\int_{-R}^R\hat{z}\hat{z}dz=CqR(R+R)=2CqR^2##

yes :smile:
Then for x=R: ##\int_{R}^{-R}-CqR\hat{z}\cdot dz \hat{z}##
##=-CqR\int_{R}^{-R}\hat{z}\hat{z}dz=-CqR(-R-R)=-2CqR^2##

erm :rolleyes:
 
Hmm, seems I didn't distribute my negative sign there!
 
are you in the loop now? o:)
 
I am, thank you. I assume since you made no comment that my understanding of the horizontal forcei is correct? That is where z=±R there is no work?
 
yes, for displacement of constant z, the component of the field along the wire is zero, so the work done is zero :smile:
 
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Thanks for the help!
 

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