Are Calculators Hindering Math Education? Share Your Opinion!

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The discussion centers around the role of calculators in math education, particularly in high school settings. Many participants argue that calculators hinder students' understanding of fundamental mathematical concepts and skills, leading to a reliance on technology rather than fostering true comprehension. Some educators share experiences where students struggle with basic calculations and concepts due to over-reliance on calculators. Others suggest that while calculators can aid in visualizing complex problems, they often replace essential learning processes. Overall, there is a strong sentiment that calculators should be used sparingly and primarily for efficiency in advanced topics, rather than as a primary tool for learning.
  • #51
I told her I gave her one. She agreed that I did. I even said as much in my first post on this subject:
D H said:
"I gave you a twenty and change. I should get 15 and change back." "Well, the cash register told me to give you $5.18."

You are missing the point. It is quite common for people with any mathematical sense to pay a bill some paper bills and a bit of change. (Who wants a pocket full of nearly worthless coins?) It is also quite common for cashiers to be completely stymied by such an action. They let the register do the work for them.
 
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  • #52
HERE is an idea about "Calculators in Education":

Make a specific dedicated board for Calculators in Education. As a main topic board, the topic and discussions will be easier to find.
 
  • #53
From arildno:
Only those students that are good at maths ought to be allowed to use a calculator, everyone else should be denied that "aid", for their own good.
That was exactly the method many years ago, at least in some institutions. Students would study and hopefully learn arithmetic and mathematical ideas at the basic level. When they entered into the higher college preparatory courses, they would be allowed to use scientific calculators. The use of the calculators was not used as substitute for understanding nor for skills. STUDENTS STILL WERE REQUIRED TO SHOW THEIR STEPS AND SOLUTION PROCESSES.
 
  • #54
I've looked back at some of the questions I had about calculator use. It's beneficial to see the same students in two different settings - math and physics. I can't recall ever seeing, for example, a quadratic equation in a math textbook that didn't have integer coefficients. In physics, the students might run into 0 = 15.8 + 4.8t + .5(9.81)t^2 and not even recognize that it's a quadratic equation. Maybe, if we're going to give them calculators, we also give students more realistic problems with "not so nice" numbers to work with, rather than the contrived problems such as "Bob is 5 years younger than Steve..."
 
  • #55
Of course, intelligently used, the calculator can be a powerful aid.
This is when the actual calculations become excessively tedious, and when
we are primarily interested in seeing how the student develops a general strategy for solving a problem, in which such calculations are merely annoying sub-problems.
 
  • #56
in which such calculations are merely annoying sub-problems.

Even worse, many students use these tedious calculations to convince themselves that they are "working hard" and that they "deserve" a good grade.

In my opinion this is the biggest problem with doing arithmetic, algebra and calculus by hand: it distracts the students from the the difficult task of applying the concepts effectively in a variety of situations.

As a physics tutor, I explain to intro students that a good way to study is to look at every problem in the section, but only to the point of understanding the application of the concepts. Some students cannot receive this advice, they believe in doing the complete problem everytime including algebra, arithmetic and physical units, which is absurd to do for practice sake beyond the first few weeks of the first semester!
 
  • #57
dr.pizza, your post reminds me of the students in my calculus class who think that the smallest positive real number is 1, and that the linearity properties of the integral or derivative, only apply to integer multiples. I.e. basically they think all real numbers are integers, and why not, if all the problems we give them involve only integers!And Crosson, it takes a very long time, indeed years rather than weeks, doing "annoying" calculations before one can safely ignore them as distractions. Until that time one should call them "enlightening" calculations!

You may be right about your students' needs, but my own students are not like you and me, they did not do so many computations in lower school, and have almost no intuition for them. They have used calculators so long they never did acquire any skill or knowledge of basic operations.

E.g. many if not most of my students do not even realize that the reciprocal of a large positive number is a small number. In that situation, calculators have become monsters. I invite you to try this experiment on your own scholars. See if your assumptions about their knowledge are perhaps over optimistic.
 
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  • #58
mathwonk said:
You may be right about your students' needs, but my own students are not like you and me, they did not do so many computations in lower school, and have almost no intuition for them. They have used calculators so long they never did acquire any skill or knowledge of basic operations.

E.g. many if not most of my students do not even realize that the reciprocal of a large positive number is a small number. In that situation, calculators have become monsters. I invite you to try this experiment on your own scholars. See if your assumptions about their knowledge are perhaps over optimistic.

I never had that experience in school (I skipped all the time). If you understand what you're doing, you should understand what solutions look like and stuff.

In the Calculus course that I TA in, I get students asking for help on assignments or to look at there work. I never look at the assignments, so when they show me their work or problem it's the first time I seen it. After I see the problem and then their solution without even working it out, because of understanding, I can already decide whether the solution makes any sense at all. If it doesn't make sense, I tell them and see how they did and throw a few hints on what they should work on and what not.

For the reasons above, this is why I choose courses like Calculus and Linear Algebra to TA in. It's because I understand them. I don't like getting nervous when somebody asks me a question and I have to pull out the textbook, like other TA's might have to do. I hate that. The only time I use the textbook is to check where they are so I don't show them knew stuff. Even for examples, if you understand it, you can create your own without too much difficulty. So, I don't understand why professors always use the examples given in the textbook it completely defeats the purpose or having the examples in the first place.

Anyways, I also have my weak spots, even in Calculus (I just don't tell anyone until I got it figured out. :biggrin: ).

In the end, understanding is key. Calculators won't get you there. Because you can plug in any information into your calculator but you'll never intuitively know whether the answer makes sense. You just have to hope that you did the steps correctly and inputted it in your calculator correctly.

Note: It's like that one time in Differential Equations where I pointed out two different ways to prove/solve a problem on the board. The professor dismissed both of mine, and went out with "easier" methods the other students came up with. As it turns out, he tried mine after the others, and it was done in 2 steps. He didn't bother trying the other one because he said it would be over their heads although it was the easiest method of all and could be done in one step. What were the concepts? The first was just finding the derivative of the equation and then using basic Linear Algebra, and the other method was using Taylor Series. Two things that you should know when in Differential Equations. Sad.

People wonder why they do bad in courses like Linear Algebra and Abstract Algebra. Maybe it's because a calculator won't tell you if a set with so-and-so operations is a vector space or a group!
 
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  • #59
E.g. many if not most of my students do not even realize that the reciprocal of a large positive number is a small number. In that situation, calculators have become monsters.
Yeah I've also noticed that. It definitely shows a big lack of mathematical intuition.

Another case I came across recently is in the teaching of polynomial division. When I point out the obvious similarity in the procedure with that of "normal" long division all I get is a lot of puzzled faces. The reason of course is that none of the students have ever done a long division by hand.
 
  • #60
I think you have put your finger on the reason polynomials and abstract algebra is so hard for todays students - they have no real life experience doing the calculations that are being abstracted.

so calculators have made the jump from elementary to abstract math almost impossible, by taking away the bridge that used to link the two.
 
  • #61
so calculators have made the jump from elementary to abstract math almost impossible, by taking away the bridge that used to link the two.

I agree that calculators have eroded the bridge, but despite the acceptance of calculators in the classroom the calculus student will always be stimulated by the pursuit of exact results as will the abstract algebra student by the prospect of powerful methods. Calculators stimulate mathematical curiosity by their limitations.
 
  • #62
personally I find that calculators can become instrumental later on in a math/physics career.

Personally I adimattly refused to use a calculator in my classes (and was repeatedly admonished by my teachers) until I reached linear algebra. There the professor tated that some sor of calculator capable of matrix algebra would be a requirement. And her method was a good one.

Fr every new section we were not allowed to use the calculator functions for that work (and some of the older sections, although the requirement was relaxed). This allowed us to do numerous computational examples involving 3x3 and 4x4 matrices as a calculator was able to do the row reductions and inverse matrix operations for us, every student in the class had those algorithems memorised and we were required to use them in various proofs.

I wouldn't doubt that some students here could row reduce faster than I could without a calculator, but to me speed isn't as important as the ability to get it done.

similarly if you look at the gram-shmidt orthonormalization process for functions, it is far easier and faster to have a calculator do the integrals and factor the square roots, than to carry out the process by hand.

^keep in mind that for the above eample I am talking about an 89, so all of the square roots and integrals can be handled symbolically.
 
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