Calculus 2- Hooke's Law Spring problem

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The problem involves calculating the work required to pump water from the lower half of a sphere with a radius of 2m to a point 1m above the center of the sphere. The context is rooted in calculus, specifically in applying integration techniques to solve problems related to fluid mechanics.

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  • Participants discuss the need to define a coordinate system and the significance of labeling a variable "x" for integration. Questions arise about how to determine the limits of integration based on the chosen variable and the geometry of the problem. There is also exploration of the implications of lifting water to a specific height and the relationship between work, force, and distance.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the setup of the problem and questioning the original poster's understanding of the concepts involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definition of the coordinate system and the relationship between mass, volume, and work, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

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There are mentions of attachments that may contain diagrams or additional information relevant to the problem. Participants also note the potential confusion regarding the title of the thread, which references Hooke's Law, suggesting a possible mix-up in the problem context.

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Calculus 2- Water pump problem

Homework Statement



The lower half of a sphere with radius 2m is filled with water. Find the work needed to pump the water to a point 1m above the centre of the sphere.




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The Attempt at a Solution


I know you have to cut the problem into small pieces, and you have to label a "x" anywhere you want but you have to solve the problem based on which part you label the x (see attachment). But I have no idea where to label the x and how to get the integral with that information. And also what is the limits I put in the definite integral? I know it has to do with the x you choose but how to know which limit to use?
 

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You forgot the attachment.
 
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If you didn't have to worry about which part you'd label "x", then how would you go about it?
Wouldn't you define a coordinate system first - exploiting the symmetry of the situation?

Note: it would take an infinite work to pump all the water into a point - since water does not readily compress that far.

Perhaps you just need to lift the water to a height 1m above the initial level of the water?
 
vela said:
You forgot the attachment.


Sorry forgot, there it is.
 
Cool - looks like x is decided for you.
Isn't it the position of the disk with thickness dx in the diagram?

I also don't see what this has to do with Hook's Law.

Anyway - it sounds to me that you are trying to apply an equation you do not fully understand.

Start by defining a coordinate system. You can put the origin anywhere you like - so use your knowledge of geometry and the symmetry of the system to put it where it makes the math easier.

Notice that a disk of thickness dx at height x has mass dm (which depends on the density of water and the volume of the disk)...

The amount of work you need to lift a mass dm to height h from height x is dW. dW=... (you finish)
 
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My BAD!

my bad I got the title wrong.

Well here is another attachment...

So the volume of the disk is \pi(4-x^2)dx (\pir^{2}h)
dw = \pi(4-x^2)dx x 1000 x 9.8 (density of water and gravitational acceleration) x dx

Wait...work is force times distance, what would be the distance be? The distance from dx to the 1m mark above the bowl? so x+1? So the Work (W) would be dW * (1+x)?

And the integral would be that as well? and the limits of the definite integral would be 0 to 2?
 

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