Calculus - finding the minimal length between two functions

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the minimal length between two functions represented graphically, specifically focusing on the coordinates of points A and B on these graphs. The problem is situated within the context of calculus, particularly dealing with derivatives and optimization.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to derive a formula for the length AB as a function of x, considering the difference between the two functions. There are attempts to clarify the correct application of derivatives and the implications of manipulating equations, particularly regarding the treatment of denominators.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the correctness of their approaches and the validity of their calculations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the formulation of the length and the differentiation process, but there remains a lack of consensus on the correct method and interpretation of results.

Contextual Notes

There are constraints regarding the domain of x (x > 0) and the necessity to ensure that any solutions derived are valid within this context. Participants also express uncertainty about the rules governing algebraic manipulation in relation to derivatives.

  • #31
My results are X1 = 4, X1 = -4
for its derivative = 0

So far so good?
 
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  • #32
Femme_physics said:
My results are X1 = 4, X1 = -4
for its derivative = 0

So far so good?

Yes! :smile:

[edit]Actually your results are x1 = 4, x2 = -4 [/edit]

And now? :confused:
 
  • #33
I like Serena said:
Yes! :smile:

[edit]Actually your results are x1 = 4, x2 = -4 [/edit]

And now? :confused:

Now I plug it back into the formula for AB. I plug "4" because they're asking only for positive.

I get 1.5

Is that the answer, or do I have to plug that into the original function to find their y and then find the differences in the y?

In that case I get

\frac{1.5-2}{4} = -0.125

And
\frac{-4}{1.5} = -2.6666666

So the difference her is 2.79
 
  • #34
Femme_physics said:
Now I plug it back into the formula for AB. I plug "4" because they're asking only for positive.

I get 1.5

Is that the answer?

Yes! :smile:

Femme_physics said:
or do I have to plug that into the original function to find their y and then find the differences in the y?

In that case I get

\frac{1.5-2}{4} = -0.125

And
\frac{-4}{1.5} = -2.6666666

So the difference her is 2.79

Nooooooo! :wink:
(You have calculated an y value. You're not supposed to then plug that in in f(x) as if it is an x value.)
 
  • #35
You needed to find the difference in height between each function, and you found the x value where the height between them is minimal. We already have the function describing their difference (f(x)-g(x)) in height, so yes, just substituting x=4 to get y=3/2 is enough here.
 
  • #36
I'll have to do some backtracking to see how this all makes sense. I lost the string of the actual problem with all the math mishaps. Thank you all though! Much appreciate ILS for going for the kill! :)
 
  • #37
Femme_physics said:
I'll have to do some backtracking to see how this all makes sense. I lost the string of the actual problem with all the math mishaps. Thank you all though! Much appreciate ILS for going for the kill! :)

The basic idea of how to answer this question - without all the maths - is we first start with some function f(x) and another g(x), these functions don't intersect by looking at their graphs (we could also have proven this by setting f(x)=g(x) and shown there are no real solutions too, but it wasn't necessary here) and now to find the minimal distance in the y-direction between each function, we consider that the function f(x)-g(x) describes their differences in their height y at each point x, so for example if we took the value x=3, then f(3)=1/4 and g(3)=-4/3, which means their height difference is f(2)-g(2)=1/4-(-4/3)=19/12. So the function f(x)-g(x) is their height difference, and finding the minimal height means finding the lowest point on this graph (it will be above the y-axis, because we've already argued that the graphs don't intersect so f(x)-g(x)\neq0) and this is where calculus comes into it. Since when we find the derivative of a function, it tells us the gradient of the tangent at each x value, well we know the lowest point on the function has a tangent gradient of 0, so we find the derivative and set it to zero (this says "tangent gradient = 0") then solving for x, it will tell us the x-value where lowest point is. Now substituting x back into the derivative equation obviously yields 0, because we just solved the equality and found the value of x that makes the derivative 0. We need to substitute the x-value back into the function f(x)-g(x) which will give us the y-value, which is the height difference between the functions. This is it.
 

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