Calculus I: Monotinic Functions and First Derivative Test

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The discussion revolves around analyzing the derivative f'(x) = (x-1)²(x+2)² to determine critical points, intervals of increase or decrease, and local extrema. Critical points identified are x=1 and x=-2, with the function increasing on all intervals except at these points. Participants clarify that while the derivative is positive everywhere except at the critical points, it does not imply that the original function is linear. There is confusion regarding the behavior of the derivative and its implications for the original function, particularly in the interval (-0.5, 1). The conversation emphasizes the importance of clear terminology when discussing derivatives and their implications for the function's behavior.
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Homework Statement


Using the derivative f'(x) = (x-1)^{2}(x+2)^{2} answer the following:

a) What are the critical points of f?
b) On what intervals is f increasing or decreasing?
c) At what points, if any, does f assume local maximum and minimum values?


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The Attempt at a Solution


From strictly observing the derivative and using the quadratic equation to check, the critical points are x=1 and x=(-2). Once I pick a number within each of the intervals (-inf, -2), (-2, 1), and (1, inf) and implement it into the equation, I consistently get positives. By definition of Corollary 3: First Derivative Test for Monotonic Functions, the equation would be increasing on every interval; therefore, making a line. The problem is, when I graph the answer to check my solution, I notice a critical point at x=(-.05). Where did this CP come from and how do I figure it out algebraically?


Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Cod said:

Homework Statement


Using the derivative f'(x) = (x-1)^{2}(x+2)^{2} answer the following:

a) What are the critical points of f?
b) On what intervals is f increasing or decreasing?
c) At what points, if any, does f assume local maximum and minimum values?


Homework Equations


n/a


The Attempt at a Solution


From strictly observing the derivative and using the quadratic equation to check,
You should be able to tell by nothing more than inspection that the critical numbers are 1 and -2.
Cod said:
the critical points are x=1 and x=(-2). Once I pick a number within each of the intervals (-inf, -2), (-2, 1), and (1, inf) and implement it into the equation
You're just substituting values into the derivative function, not implementing anything.
Cod said:
, I consistently get positives. By definition of Corollary 3: First Derivative Test for Monotonic Functions, the equation would be increasing on every interval; therefore, making a line.
True, the derivative is positive everywhere except at x = 1 and x = -2, which means that the slope of the function f is >= 0, but that doesn't make the graph of f a line. For example, if f(x) = ln(x), f'(x) = 1/x > 0 for all x > 0, but the graph of the natural log function is not a line.
Cod said:
The problem is, when I graph the answer to check my solution, I notice a critical point at x=(-.05). Where did this CP come from and how do I figure it out algebraically?
The only critical numbers are 1 and -2. Your value of -.05 might have come from your mistaken assumption that the graph of the underlying function was a straight line. It isn't.
Cod said:
Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
 
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What function did you plot?

BTW, a very quick way to see that the first derivative is everywhere nonnegative is that it's a product of squares.
 
Tinyboss, I plotted the derivative that was provided: [(x-1)^2][(x+2)^2].

Mark44, thanks for the explanations; however, I'm still failing to understand how the derivative is decreasing over the interval (-.5, 1). I realize that if I found the original function it may be easier, but according to the textbook and my instructor, we should be able to get all the answers strictly from the first derivative. Sorry if I'm frustrating you, I just can't get my nugget wrapped around this question.

Thanks again for the help y'all.
 
Why shouldn't the derivative decrease on that interval? As long as the derivative is positive, the original function will be increasing.
 
I thought for the function to be decreasing along an interval, the derivative had to be less than 0 when you substitute any value from within that interval. Isn't that correct? For example, if I evaluate at f(0), I still get a positive even though the function is decreasing on the interval (-.5, 1). Shouldn't I get a negative since the function is decreasing along that interval?
 
Cod said:
Mark44, thanks for the explanations; however, I'm still failing to understand how the derivative is decreasing over the interval (-.5, 1). I realize that if I found the original function it may be easier, but according to the textbook and my instructor, we should be able to get all the answers strictly from the first derivative. Sorry if I'm frustrating you, I just can't get my nugget wrapped around this question.
With this problem, you really have keep your terminology clear, or you will confuse yourself and anyone trying to understand you. You are given a function f' that is already the derivative of some unknown function f. If you start talking about the derivative, are you talking about f' or are you talking about its derivative, f''?

You said in another post that you graphed y = f'(x) = (x + 2)^2(x - 1)^2. The zeroes of this graph are at -2 and 1. The y-values on this graph are zero at x = - 2 and x = 1, and are positive everywhere else. This graph (y = f'(x)) is decreasing on (-inf, -2), increasing on (-2, ~-.5), decreasing on (~-.5, 1), and increasing on (1, inf). The increasing and decreasing here tell you about the sign of the derivative of the derivative, i.e., f''.

The sign of the derivative tells you where the underlying (and unknown) function f is increasing and decreasing. Since the graph of y = f'(x) is greater than or equal to zero for all x, the graph of y = f(x) is increasing on (-inf, -2), (-2, 1), and (1, inf).
 
That makes sense Mar44. Sorry I was using confusing verbage, I didn't realize I was. Thanks for the explanation and "putting up with me".
 

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