Calculus II - Lengths of Curves - Hard

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The problem involves finding the arc length of a curve defined by the function y = x^4/4 + 1/(8x^2) over the interval [1, 2]. The arc length is to be calculated using integration with respect to x, applying the formula that incorporates the derivative of the function.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to compute the derivative of the function and subsequently square it to apply the arc length formula. They express uncertainty about how to proceed after reaching a complex integral. Other participants suggest factoring and simplifying the expression to facilitate integration. There is also a correction regarding the derivative, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the original setup.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different algebraic manipulations to simplify the integral. Some guidance has been offered regarding factoring, but there is no clear consensus on the next steps or resolution of the problem.

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There is a noted concern about the accuracy of the derivative calculated by the original poster, which may affect the subsequent integration process. Participants are also addressing the clarity of the function's expression and its implications for the calculations.

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Homework Statement



Find the arc length of the following curves on the given interval by integrating with respect to x

y=x^4/4+ 1/(8x^2); [1,2]

Homework Equations



Let f have a continuous first derivative on the interval [a,b]. The length of the curve from (a,f(a)) to (b,f(b)) is

L = integral[a,b] sqrt(1+f'(x)^2) dx

The Attempt at a Solution



y=x^4/4+ 1/(8x^2); [1,2]
I took the derivative and got

dy/dx = x^3 - 1/(4x^4)

I than square this and got

x^6 - 1/2 + 1/(16*x^6)

plunging into the formula I get

integral[1,2] sqrt(1/2 + x^6 + 1/(16*x^6)) dx

I have no idea were to go from here. I tried making several substitutions and than realized that there was nothing in my techniques of integration to evaluate this in any way or form. I plugged the indefinite integral into wolfram alpha to see what it got for the antiderivative and apparently it doesn't know how to integrate this neither.
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integral+sqrt%281%2F2%2Bx^6%2B1%2F%2816x^6%29%29
well apparently it came up with a antiderivative it just has no steps to prove it to be correct when you click on show steps "(step-by-step results unavailable)". So I conclude that there is something really simple that I'm not seeing or something really complicated. This came from my textbook in -Applications of Integration-Lengths of Curves

Thanks for any help!
 
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Try factoring 1/(16x6) out of x6 - 1/2 + 1/(16*x6) first.
 
x^6 - 1/2 + 1/(16*x6) = 1/(16*x^6)[16x^12-8x^6+1]
plugging into L = integral[a,b] sqrt(1+f'(x)^2) dx
yields
integral[1,2] sqrt(1+1/(16*x^6)[16x^12-8x^6+1])dx

wasn't sure what to do at this point so I wrote it all as the same fraction

integral[1,2] sqrt((16x^6+16x^12-8x^6+1)/16x^6)dx

simplified -> 1/sqrt(16x^6) = 1/(4x^3)

1/4 integral[1,2] sqrt(16x^6+16x^12-8x^6+1)/x^3 dx

I'm not sure how to proceed from here
 
I copied down the wrong part :blushing: I meant to say factor 1/(16x6) from x6 - 1/2 + 1/(16*x6)
You basically already did it though, so you would get sqrt(1/(16*x6)[16x12+8x6+1])

What can you do with 16x12+8x6+1?
 
thanks i got it factor it and then it's easy
 
If your y is *exactly* as written [y = x^4/4 + 1/8/x^2 --- note that a/b/c means a/(b*c) ], then your derivative is wrong, so you have the
wrong integral. The last term in dy/dx is -1/4/x^3, not your -1/4/x^4.

RGV
 

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