Can a Beam Condenser Focus a Laser to 0.048mm for Wave Measurement?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using a beam condenser to focus a laser beam to a diameter of 0.048mm for measuring gravity-capillary waves in a wind-wave flume. Participants explore the implications of laser beam diameter reduction, optical properties, and the challenges associated with maintaining energy levels through different mediums.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Gary outlines a project involving the measurement of gravity-capillary waves using a laser beam and a Position Sensitive Detector (PSD), expressing the need to reduce the laser beam diameter from 0.48mm to 0.048mm.
  • Claude suggests that it should be possible to reduce the beam diameter to 48 microns with a He-Ne laser, but expresses uncertainty regarding the effectiveness of a CO2 laser due to its longer wavelength.
  • Ryleigh raises a concern about the impact of condensing the beam on the Rayleigh length and depth of focus, questioning how to mitigate these effects.
  • Claude responds that additional optics may be necessary to address the depth of field issues, mentioning that using optical fiber could solve some problems but would change the delivery method from free-space to fiber optics. He also notes that special objectives and collimators could help but would complicate beam alignment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to achieve the desired beam diameter and manage the associated optical challenges. Multiple viewpoints regarding the feasibility and implications of different laser types and optical methods are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of using different laser types and the potential need for additional optics, but do not resolve the mathematical implications of Rayleigh length or depth of focus adjustments.

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Hi all, I'm a student at a mechanical engineering faculty, and I'm doing my final project now.

The purpose of the project is to built a sensor for measuring gravity-capillary waves in a wind-wave flume. The idea is to pass a laser beam from beneath of the aquarium through the aquarium bottom, through the wavy water, up to the air over the water and at the end the laser beam should point on a PSD (Position Sensetive Detector) which measures the X and Y deflections of the beam from the calibrated point over still water. Then I can use Snell law and various DSP to find the wave coeficient 'k' or waves wave lengh 'lamda', phase velocity 'C' etc...

As part of a project, I need to draw a circle with the laser beam (using a rotating mirror) with a diameter of 1.5mm over the water surface.
The smallest laser beam diameter I could find is 0.48mm and it's too big!
I'm going to use a NeHe 632.8nm 5mW or 10mW CW laser, and I thought to use a beam expander reversibly as a beam condenser, and here is the question:
Is it possible to pass a 0.48mm diameter laser beam through a beam condenser X10 to receive a 0.048 diameter laser beam without loosing the needed energy to pass through the perspex of the aquarium and the water, so the PSD will detect the beam?

Thank you for you attention,
Gary.
 
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It should be possible to reduce the beam diameter down to 48 microns with the He Ne laser, but I'm not so certain about the CO2 laser due to its long wavelength.

Claude.
 
Ryleigh lenght

Thanks,

now, if I condense a beam by 10 times it will reduse the ryleigh length and depth of focus by 100 times, what should I do to prevent it?
 
Unfortunately there is not a whole lot you can do without introducing additional optics. Delivering light to the target via optic fibre can eliminate problems with depth of field, however it has the obvious disadvantage of no longer being a free-space delivery. Special objectives and collimators can also work to reduce this problem, but you then have the disadvantage of making your system less robust due to the degree of beam aligning that needs to be done.

Claude.
 

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