Can a Charged Particle Lose its Charge While Moving at Different Speeds?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether a charged particle can lose its charge while moving at different speeds, specifically at speeds less than or close to the speed of light. It explores concepts related to electrostatics, relativistic motion, and interactions with matter.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a charged particle does not lose its charge regardless of its speed, as charge is an intrinsic property of particles.
  • Others mention that while charge is conserved, a charged particle may need to exert work to maintain its motion against electric fields or due to energy loss from radiation.
  • One participant raises the question of whether the increase in inertial mass at relativistic speeds has any parallel with charge, to which others respond that charge does not exhibit similar behavior.
  • There is a discussion about the ionization of gas particles by a moving charged particle, with some participants arguing that while ionization occurs, the charged particle itself does not lose its charge in the process.
  • Another viewpoint is introduced regarding charge screening in materials, suggesting that a particle's charge can be "hidden" in certain contexts, such as within a dielectric medium or the QED vacuum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a charged particle does not lose its charge while moving, but there are competing views on the implications of charge screening and the nature of mass in relativistic contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nuances of charge behavior in different environments.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific definitions of mass and charge, and the discussion includes varying interpretations of relativistic effects and particle interactions with matter.

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hi PF, i got a question in my mind while studying electrostatics that
Will a charged particle loose its charge if it travels with a speed
a) Less than speed of light?
b) Close to speed of light?
 
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dev70 said:
hi PF, i got a question in my mind while studying electrostatics that
Will a charged particle loose its charge if it travels with a speed
a) Less than speed of light?
b) Close to speed of light?

No and no (They're actually the same question).
However, you may have to put work into the system to keep the particle moving, either because it's moving against an electric field or shedding energy by emitting electromagnetic radiation.
 
dev70 said:
hi PF, i got a question in my mind while studying electrostatics that
Will a charged particle loose its charge if it travels with a speed
a) Less than speed of light?
b) Close to speed of light?

No, charge is an intrinsic property of certain particles. They cannot lose it much like they cannot lose their mass or spin.
 
Charge is a conserved quantity!
 
thank you all..but the way inertial mass increases of a body when it travels close to speed of light, will anything similar happen?
 
dev70 said:
thank you all..but the way inertial mass increases of a body when it travels close to speed of light, will anything similar happen?

Not with charge, no.
 
Neither charge nor mass increase in relativistic motion, because mass and charge are both relativistic invariants, i.e., scalar quantities.
 
dev70 said:
inertial mass increases of a body when it travels close to speed of light, will anything similar happen?

this is a somewhat old-fashioned view of mass, that is now considered to complicate matters unnecessarily.

it's better to use the word 'mass' to simply refer to the rest mass of an object, which is invariant, and get rid of this idea of mass changing with velocity.

mass is invariant, and so is charge.
 
ok...i know that rest mass is constant and invariant. but if we consider a charged particle moving in a medium say gas won't it ionize the gas particles? And if it does it should loose charge i guess?
 
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dev70 said:
ok...i know that rest mass is constant and invariant. but if we consider a charged particle moving in a medium say gas won't it ionize the gas particles? And if it does it should loose charge i guess?

Yes, it can ionize the atoms of the gas it moves through, but no, it will not lose charge. Ions are formed when the particle collides with the atoms in the gas and knocks electrons out of them; we start with the charged particle and a neutral atom, and we end up with exact same charged particle, a positive-charged ion, and a stray electron.
 
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The only way a particle can ''lose'' it's charge, in some sense of the word, is by screening. This can happen in a material, like any ole dielectric. There charge is hidden by the material being weakly conductive.

Oddly enough, the QED vacuum can be considered a dielectric, and so measured charge and the mass of a electron, say, are ''screened'' by virtual particle, anti-particle pair production. The ''bare'' charge and mass of a particle is never truly known, and in fact, becomes silly to talk about, since it is unphysical since it can't be measured.
 
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well..jfy4..would you please tell more about it. i just couldn't understand what you meant?
 

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