Can a function inside the integral be erased?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of the equality of two integrals involving a function \( f(x) \) and two other functions \( g(x) \) and \( h(x) \). Participants explore whether the equality of the integrals leads to the conclusion that the integrals of \( g(x) \) and \( h(x) \) are also equal, particularly under the condition that \( f(x) = e^x \). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of counterexamples.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the equality of the integrals holds for any values of \( a \) and \( b \) or if they must be fixed.
  • One participant asserts that the conclusion does not necessarily follow, suggesting that \( g(x) \) and \( h(x) \) can "cut out" different sections of \( f(x) \).
  • Another participant presents a counterexample to illustrate their point, indicating that a lack of rigor is acceptable in this context.
  • A further transformation of the original question is proposed, examining the implications of setting \( f(x) = e^{-x}g(x) \) and questioning the validity of the resulting integrals.
  • It is noted that the reformulated question suggests a more complex relationship, hinting at an infinite dimensional subspace of integrable functions that could violate the original hypothesis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on whether the equality of the integrals leads to the equality of the integrals of \( g(x) \) and \( h(x) \). Multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of the integral equality.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the conditions under which the original integral equality holds, particularly regarding the fixed nature of \( a \) and \( b \). The discussion also highlights the potential for different interpretations of the functions involved.

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Given that $$\int_a^b f(x)g(x) \, dx = \int_a^b f(x)h(x) \, dx$$ and $$f(x)=e^x$$, is it true that $$\int_a^b g(x) \, dx = \int_a^b h(x) \, dx$$?
 
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Does the first equation hold for any ##a## and ##b## or for are ##a## and ##b## fixed?
 
Hill said:
Does the first equation hold for any ##a## and ##b## or for are ##a## and ##b## fixed?
##a## and ##b## are fixed scalar values
 
CECE2 said:
##a## and ##b## are fixed scalar values
Then my answer is, no, not necessarily. ##g(x)## and ##h(x)## can "cut out" different sections of the ##f(x)##.
 
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For your consideration... the laziest, least rigorous, counter example; graphic novel style.
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Hill said:
Then my answer is, no, not necessarily. ##g(x)## and ##h(x)## can "cut out" different sections of the ##f(x)##.
Thank you
 
DaveE said:
For your consideration... the laziest, least rigorous, counter example; graphic novel style.
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Thank you! one counter example must be enough
 
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CECE2 said:
Given that $$\int_a^b f(x)g(x) \, dx = \int_a^b f(x)h(x) \, dx$$ and $$f(x)=e^x$$, is it true that $$\int_a^b g(x) \, dx = \int_a^b h(x) \, dx$$?
Note that the question is equivalent to this. Given that
$$\int_a^b e^xf(x) \ dx = 0$$Is it true that:
$$\int_a^bf(x) \ dx = 0$$
 
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And if we let ##f(x) = e^{-x}g(x)## above, then the question is equivalent to:

Given that
$$\int_a^b g(x) \ dx = 0$$Is it true that:
$$\int_a^be^{-x}g(x) \ dx = 0$$Which doesn't look very likely. In fact, in that formulation it's fairly clear that the set of functions that fail the original hypothesis must bean infinite dimensional subspace of the space of integrable functions.
 
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