Can a Hall Effect sensor detect current in a twisted cable?

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of using a Hall Effect sensor, specifically the SS49, to detect current in a twisted cable. Participants explore various factors that may influence the sensor's effectiveness, including the type of current (AC or DC), the characteristics of the twisted pairs, and the desired output (digital or analog).

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the specific application and requirements for detecting current, emphasizing the need for details such as cable length, quality, frequency, and power level.
  • One participant notes that the SS49 has a sensitivity of 0.90mV/G but is designed as an analog position switch, which may limit its frequency response.
  • Another participant suggests that the current flow induces a magnetic field that could be detected by the Hall Effect sensor.
  • Questions arise regarding whether the current is AC or DC and the expected amperage, with one participant confirming it is AC with a range of 1-5A and expressing a need for on/off digital output.
  • Concerns are raised about the small magnetic field strength produced by the wire compared to the sensor's specifications, suggesting that high-end electronics may be necessary for accurate measurements.
  • Alternatives are proposed, such as using clamp-on current meters or LED indicators paired with current transformers for detecting current without breaking the circuit.
  • One participant discusses a method to enhance sensitivity by routing both wires of the twisted pair through a clamp in opposite directions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness of the Hall Effect sensor for this application, with no consensus reached on the best approach or solution. Multiple competing methods and considerations are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the sensor's specifications, the need for precise measurements, and the potential impact of noise in the supply voltage on the sensor's output.

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Hi guys !
Is there any way to detect current /generated magnetic field using hall effect sensor ss49 ?? or any other to just detect current in that cable ? please help me .
 
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sravyasekhar said:
Hi guys !
Is there any way to detect current /generated magnetic field using hall effect sensor ss49 ?? or any other to just detect current in that cable ? please help me .

We need information on exactly what you want to do to give a good answer. You would have to know the length, quality of the twisted pairs with the frequency and power level of the signal. In a detector system the SS49 has a sensitivity of 0.90mV/G but it's designed as an analog position switch so the frequency response of the internal amplifier might be limited.

http://redshift.vif.com/JournalFiles/V16NO3PDF/V16N3CAL.pdf
 
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nsaspook said:
We need information on exactly what you want to do to give a good answer. You would have to know the length, quality of the twisted pairs with the frequency and power level of the signal. In a detector system the SS49 has a sensitivity of 0.90mV/G but it's designed as an analog position switch so the frequency response of the internal amplifier might be limited.

It is for detecting current flow in any appliance that is basically to know whether a device is ON or OFF.
 
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by the current flow ,some magnetic field is induced .So by hall effect sensor I need to detect the current in the wire.
 
Is the current AC or DC ? How many amps do you expect ?
Do you need to know if on/off digital output ? or how many amps analogue ?
 
It is AC with about 1- 5A .I just need to know on /off digital output
 
sravyasekhar said:
It is AC with about 1- 5A .I just need to know on /off digital output
Then, yes. There is a way.

You need to get the datasheet. (Try Digikey.) Then you need to know the field strength produced by a wire. You will notice this is a small number. It is very small when compared to the curves on the data sheet. :oldcry:

So either be prepared to spend thousands of dollars on top end electronics capable of measuring microvolts, or find another solution. (According to the datasheet the output varies with supply voltage, so any noise in the supply will affect your measurements.) Perhaps you can concentrate the magnetic field using ferrite or wire loops or both. Perhaps another sensor is in order? They make clamp on current meters using hall sensors, so I know it can be done.
 
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An inexpensive DVM with a 10A current scale would do it if you can route the 1-5 amps through the meter.

A clamp on amp meter can do it without breaking the circuit, if you can clamp one of the two conductors.
 
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If you pass both wires of the twisted pair through the clamp, but in opposite directions, you will double the sensitivity and eliminate any common mode signal. More turns about the clamp core = more sensitivity.

Open the twisted pair either side of a half twist. Push the clamp prongs through the two holes in the cable and close it about the two wires which are now running in opposite directions so the currents sum.
 
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There are LED indicators that are paired up with a current transformer just for such an application. My water heater uses them. As Baluncore has suggested run multiple turns through to get the desired result. For instance, get an indicator that is made to light up in a range of 15 to 20 amps. Pass the wire in question through enough times to get it operating when you want it. These devices often have a max current spec.
 

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