Can a Reverse Solar Trap Enable Solar Cooling?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a reverse solar trap and its potential application for solar cooling. Participants explore the feasibility of using a solar collector in reverse, focusing on the absorption and transmission of different wavelengths of radiation, particularly in relation to atmospheric absorption characteristics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a solar trap design involving a black body at the center of a container of water, surrounded by an infrared barrier, suggesting that reversing this setup could enable solar cooling.
  • Another participant shares links to atmospheric transmission graphs, indicating the importance of understanding which wavelengths are absorbed by the atmosphere.
  • A participant mentions the potential of using germanium as a material for the reverse solar trap, referencing its absorption characteristics at specific wavelengths.
  • Discussion includes the existence of cold mirrors, which could reflect certain wavelengths while allowing others to pass, although current commercial options may not cover the optimal spectrum for this application.
  • Concerns are raised about the cost-effectiveness of materials like silicon and germanium in the context of their performance in the desired wavelength range.

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Participants express varying opinions on the feasibility and materials for a reverse solar trap, with no consensus reached on the effectiveness or practicality of the proposed concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations regarding the spectral range of materials and the current capabilities of commercial mirrors, which may not meet the optimal requirements for the proposed application.

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I've been thinking about this on and off for awhile now. It first started with the idea of a solar trap.

Solar trap being something like having a solar collector focusing light on a container of water, having an infra red barrier around the container, and a black body at the centre. Incoming solar energy passes by the IR reflector, absorbed by the black body and re-emitted as radiation which is reflected by the IR reflector.

I was pleasantly surprised some form of this technique is used in the high efficiency solar water heaters.

So what stops one doing this in reverse? having a visible reflector, IR transmitting layer.

Could this allow solar cooling during the day? It would of course depend on the net flux of radiation, perhaps looking at natural sunlight spectrum there maybe a band strongly absorbed by the atmosphere that is within the range put out by a black body.
 
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found this

http://www.ispoptics.com/Images/MaterialChart.gif

Germanium seems a good candidate, for a better view

http://rmico.com/technical-notes/bk7-quartz-ge-si

in particular

Germanium.gif



based on this calculator
http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/p_thermo/wien

peak radiance of a 300 K object is 10 μm

Atmospheric_Transmission.png


there's some absorbance around that wavelength
 
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So, after a bt of googling. This turns out to exist.

A cold mirror

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_mirror

Although, they don't quite cover the spectrum that would be optimal, the limit currently for commerical mirrors is up to 2500nm,This is usually layered dialectric coatings.

really want that to be transmissive between 2500nm and 15000nm.

Germanium does a good job, although the ROI would be terrible, silicon, which does about 1600-7000nm would be ok, though I am guessing cost wise it wouldn't be much better.
 

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