Can a rotor ever come to a complete stop with a negative angular acceleration?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around a physics problem involving a rotor with a negative angular acceleration and its behavior over time. Participants explore the implications of exponential decay in angular velocity and the conditions under which the rotor might come to a complete stop or approach a specific number of revolutions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a method for solving the problem using exponential decay, concluding that the rotor would never come to a complete stop.
  • Another participant questions the assumption that infinite revolutions would occur if the rotor never stops, suggesting it could converge on a specific angle.
  • A later reply indicates that as time approaches infinity, the angle converges on 222 revolutions, supporting the idea that the rotor approaches but does not reach a complete stop.
  • Participants discuss the validity of both the initial method and the teacher's method, with one participant expressing confidence in their argument against the teacher's conclusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the rotor can come to a complete stop and the implications of the mathematical models used. There is no consensus on the correctness of either method, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the final interpretation of the results.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the dependence on the assumptions made in the mathematical models, particularly regarding the nature of exponential decay and its implications for angular motion.

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I just got done taking a test and on of the problems read: A rotor is turning at 200 rpm and has an angular acceleration of -0.015w rads/s^2. How many seconds before the rotor is at 200rpm. How many revolutions before the rotor comes to rest.

Here is my method for solving:
w initial = 200rpm = 20.9 rads/s

a = dw/dt = -0.015w rads/s^2
dw/w = -0.015dt
ln(w) = -0.015t
integrating both sides yeilds
w = Ce^-0.015t
w = 20.9e^-0.015t

I got the correct answer for the first part, but seeing that this is exponential decay I answered that the rotor would never come to a complete rest. I was told that I have the wrong answer. My teacher demonstrated the "correct" approach.

a = (dw/dtheta) x (dtheta/dt) = (dw/dtheta)w = -0.015w
(dw/dtheta) = -0.015
dw = -0.015 dtheta
using 20.9 - 0 and 0-theta for limits of integration yields
-20.9 = -0.015theta
theta = 1393 rads or 222 revolutions


My assumption seems more logical that the rotor would never stop spinning under those circumstances and would there for have infinite revolutions, but i am unable to find any holes in my teachers method.
If anyone can point out any errors in either mine or my teachers method or give any explanation why to seemingly correct methods would yield different answers I would really appreciate it.
 
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Hi Kevinc! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(have an omega: ω and a theta: θ and try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)
Kevinc said:
My assumption seems more logical that the rotor would never stop spinning under those circumstances and would there for have infinite revolutions …

Even if it does never stop spinning,

why would that mean there would be infinite revolutions? :wink:
 
Yea your right that was a dumb assumption. It could possibly converge on a specific angle as t goes to infinite. So does it converge on 222 revs as t goes to infinite?
 
I haven't checked your figures, but I assume so. :smile:
 
I just integrated my angular velocity equation to get the angle equation and turns out as t goes to infinite theta goes to 222 revs. I put in my answer that the rotor never comes to rest so technically i am correct and it never actually reaches 222 revs so technically he is incorrect. I think I now have a good argument for the teacher. Thanks for the help.
 

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