What is the Correct Equation for Angular Acceleration in this Flywheel Problem?

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The problem involves determining the angular acceleration of a flywheel that rotates with a specified angular velocity dependent on the angle. The context includes the application of angular kinematics and differentiation, particularly focusing on the relationship between angular velocity and angular acceleration.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the definition of angular acceleration and its relationship to angular velocity, questioning the validity of the book's equations. There are attempts to clarify the use of the chain rule in differentiation and its implications for the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the equations provided in the book. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct application of the chain rule, but there is no consensus on the definitions or the equations themselves.

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There are indications of potential typos in the book's definitions and equations, leading to confusion among participants. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the book's approach to calculating angular acceleration.

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Homework Statement


"The flywheel rotates with angular velocity of w=0.005theta^2 rad/s. Determine the angular acceleration after it has rotated 20 revolutions.

Homework Equations


I thought the equations were all but self-evident using the problem description! (See below.)
alpha=dw/dt

The Attempt at a Solution


The angular velocity is merely a=0.01theta. I just plugged in 20*2pi for the acceleration at that time and was... wrong. Massively wrong, in fact. The book solutions agrees with me about my equations for w and a, but they actually multiple the acceleration and the velocity together!

The book defines alpha as dw/dtheta... but then, in this solution set, states that alpha=w(dw)(dtheta), which is not something I can make *any* sense out of. They then use this value of alpha to compute the acceleration over a rotation of (40pi), complete with theta cubed.

What happened here? I can't make heads or tails of it.
 
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k_squared said:
The book defines alpha as dw/dtheta
Are you sure of this definition?
 
You need to use the chain rule of differentiation when applying ##\frac{d}{dt}## on ##[\theta (t)]^2##.
 
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due to the chain rule of differentiation it is ##\frac{dw}{dt}=\frac{dw}{d\theta}\frac{d\theta}{dt}## and it is also ##\frac{d\theta}{dt}=w## so what your book says is correct.
 
k_squared said:
The book defines alpha as dw/dtheta... but then, in this solution set, states that alpha=w(dw)(dtheta), which is not something I can make *any* sense out of. They then use this value of alpha to compute the acceleration over a rotation of (40pi), complete with theta cubed.

your book is wrong, it is not $$\alpha = w\times dw \times d\theta$$

it is,
$$\alpha = {d \omega \over dt} = \underbrace{{d\omega \over d\theta } \times {d\theta \over dt}}_{\text{chain rule}} = ?$$
 
Delta² said:
due to the chain rule of differentiation it is ##\frac{dw}{dt}=\frac{dw}{d\theta}\frac{d\theta}{dt}## and it is also ##\frac{d\theta}{dt}=w## so what your book says is correct.
... assuming k2 meant alpha=w(dw)/(dtheta) and not
k_squared said:
alpha=w(dw)(dtheta),
 
guys I believe the post has some typos, I believe he meant to write that his book says that a=wdw/dtheta , ##a=w\frac{dw}{d\theta}## in latex :).
 
I'll give you a screenshot if you want!

The book defined alpha (angular acceleration, I take it) merely as $$\frac{dw}{d\theta}$$. Then is also says that $$\alpha d\theta = \omega d\omega$$.

The exact answer has the line in it:
$$\alpha=\omega \frac{d\omega}{d\theta}$$ and using the given (.005theta) value and its derivative, multiplies them together and posits the value derived thereof to be the answer.
 
k_squared said:
The book defined alpha (angular acceleration, I take it) merely as $$\frac{dw}{d\theta}$$.
That is a typo in the book. It should by dt in the denominator.
k_squared said:
The exact answer has the line in it:
$$\alpha=\omega \frac{d\omega}{d\theta}$$ .
That is correct, but you omitted the / when you wrote alpha=w(dw)(dtheta).
 
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