Can a sequence be arithmatic and geometric?

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The discussion revolves around whether a sequence can be both arithmetic and geometric. Participants explore the definitions and properties of these types of sequences, questioning the conditions under which they might overlap.

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  • Participants suggest writing out the formulas for the nth term of both sequence types to investigate equality. Some assert that sequences can equal each other at specific points, while others argue that a sequence cannot be both types simultaneously. The trivial example of constant sequences is also mentioned.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and properties of arithmetic and geometric sequences. Some participants have provided examples and counterexamples, while others have questioned the accuracy of definitions presented. The discussion reflects a mix of agreement and differing interpretations without a clear consensus.

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Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings regarding the definitions of arithmetic and geometric sequences. The conversation includes references to specific formulas and examples, indicating a focus on mathematical reasoning.

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can a sequence be arithmatic and geometric??

can a sequence be arithmatic an geometric??
 
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tcesni said:
can a sequence be arithmatic an geometric??
Write out the formula for the nth term of each and see if they can be equal for all n for some values for d and r:

[tex]a_n = a_1 + d(n-1)[/tex]

[tex]a_n = a_1 r^{n-1}[/tex]

AM
 
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Yes, they definitely can be equal.
 
JasonRox said:
Yes, they definitely can be equal.

Did you find one yet?
 
Well, two sequences can equal each other at certain points, but a sequence cannot be both geometric and arithmetic. It be a combination of both of them, no doubt, but then it is not arithemetic nor geometric from my understanding of sequences.
 
Sure they can.
The general n'th term in an aritmetic sequence is
[tex]a_{n}=a_{0}r^{n}[/tex]
whereas the general term in a geometric sequence is:
[tex]g_{n}=g_{0}+kn[/tex]
where [itex]a_{0},g_{0},r,k[/itex] are constants independent of n.
A sequence that is both arithmetic and geometric fulfills BOTH conditions for all choices of n, which means that we must have:
[tex]g_{0}+kn=a_{0}r^{n} (*)[/tex]
That is, we must have [itex]g_{n}=a_{n}[/itex] for all n.
Now, you might fiddle about to find constants [itex]a_{0}, g_{0},k,r[/itex]
so that (*) holds for all n. It can be done. :smile:
 
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Uh, Arildno- you have the definitions of "geometric" and "arithmetic" sequences reversed.
 
The trivial example is 1, 1, 1, 1, which is both arithmetic with respect to 0 (I don't think that's proper terminology, but I'll be damned if it doesn't sound good) and geometric with respect to 1
 
HallsofIvy said:
Uh, Arildno- you have the definitions of "geometric" and "arithmetic" sequences reversed.
Uhmm, blarrg, huge embarassment.
Please tell me when I can take my head out of the bucket. :redface:
 
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Actually, the sequence a, a, a, a, ..., for any a, is both arithmetic (a+ 0n) and geometric (a(1n)). It's easy to show that any sequence that is both arithmetic and geometric must be of the form a, a, a, a, ... for some a.

(You may now remove head from bucket, arildno.)
 

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