Can all electromagnetic waves carry information?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether all electromagnetic waves can carry information and the mechanisms by which information is transmitted through these waves. It explores the characteristics of different frequencies and their suitability for communication, as well as the nature of electromagnetic wave propagation.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that any wave can encode information, but certain frequencies are more effective due to factors like bandwidth and the ability to guide the wave.
  • It is noted that higher frequencies allow for greater bandwidth, but also present challenges in terms of transmission and guidance.
  • Participants discuss the impact of materials on wave transmission, with lower frequencies being able to penetrate common building materials more effectively than higher frequencies like infrared and visible light.
  • Information is encoded through manipulation of the amplitude and phase of the signal, with digital encoding being preferred for its error correction capabilities.
  • One participant questions the medium of electromagnetic waves, seeking theories beyond traditional explanations.
  • Another participant asserts that electromagnetic waves do not propagate through a medium, referencing historical experiments that led to this understanding.
  • The concept of a "luminiferous aether" is mentioned as a historical notion that has been disproven, linking it to the development of special relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the propagation of electromagnetic waves, with some asserting that they do not require a medium while others explore alternative theories. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of electromagnetic wave propagation and the implications of different frequencies for communication.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to historical experiments and theories that may not be universally accepted or fully resolved, indicating a dependence on specific interpretations of electromagnetic theory.

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Hello there my fellow physics fact finders,
As the title suggests, I was wondering if we use infrared and radio waves to communicate information because they're the only waves that can carry information, or just because they're the safest.

Which actually brings me on to another question, how is it that information is communicated via electromagnetic waves?
 
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Any wave can be used to encode information. However, certain frequencies are better than others. Higher frequencies generally allow for greater bandwidth, because a given frequency range will be smaller and smaller in comparison to the carrier frequency as we increase the frequency of the carrier. Other facts are the ability to guide the wave when needed. We can easily guide RF and lower frequencies using simple circuits. Microwave frequencies will start to require some thinking about layout and design rules and higher than that it becomes more problematic. For example, infrared and visible light can be guided using fiber optics but the basic nature of how fiber works can be more lossy than a traditional microwave guide that can use a conductor for shielding against leakage.

In addition, the transmission through materials plays a role. While radio frequencies can easily transmit through plaster, stone, and other common building materials (minus metals), higher frequencies like infrared (or obviously visible light) will be absorbed or reflected too much to be used to transmit with anything other than line of sight (and even then, stuff like water vapor can be highly absorptive of certain frequencies).

The information is encoded by making use of the amplitude and phase of the signal. By manipulating the amplitude and phase of the wave we can denote a certain bit stream for a digital signal or encode an analog signal using amplitude modulation or frequency modulation like with analog radio signals. Digital encoding is better because we only assign certain points in the phase space as being associated with a bit stream. This allows us to use error correction techniques since we can measure noise that gets introduced into the signal and remove it and find the most likely desired bit stream.
 
Thank you very much. I certainly have a bit of reading to do on this subject. I also have another question: Does anybody know what the medium of electromagnetic waves is, or at least has anybody come up with a good theory besides introducing hyperspace and all that higher dimensional majiggery-pokery. (I didn't have a better word.)
 
electromagnetic waves DON'T propagate in a medium. In the early 1900's were thought they might but the Michaelson-Morley experiment disproved that. This paved the way for Einstein's theory of special relativity. Hyperspace is what they use in science fiction, like star wars. Do you just mean higher dimensons (which I guess you could say is a hyper-space)? In which case I'm afraid you'd have to go a fair bit more 'down the rabbit hole' to reach that stuff. The fact that there is no lumineforous aether (what they called the medium em propogated through back when they though it existed) has been known for over a century.
 

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