Can an Integral Be Transformed into a Triple Integral?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of transforming a specific integral into a triple integral. Participants explore the mathematical manipulations involved, particularly focusing on the implications of integrating an exponential function over certain areas defined by inner integrals. The scope includes theoretical considerations and personal research rather than homework-related queries.

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Main Points Raised

  • Anna presents a problem involving the transformation of an integral and suggests that the inner integrals may represent an area dependent on a variable "height" m.
  • She questions whether the integral of an exponential area of unit density can be equated to the integral of unit area of exponential density, and whether the exponential can be factored out of the integration.
  • Another participant proposes a specific integral form to see if it aligns with Anna's query, suggesting a double integral representation.
  • Anna expresses doubt about the feasibility of transforming the integral as desired, indicating that she had to resort to multiple integrations instead of a simpler double integral.
  • A later reply emphasizes the complexity of the region for the double integral, noting that it is dependent on the function involved and is not a straightforward geometric region.
  • This reply also mentions the challenges of transforming the exponential term into a relevant integral due to the non-linear relationship present in the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the possibility of transforming the integral as Anna desires. There are multiple viewpoints regarding the complexity of the integral and the nature of the regions involved, indicating ongoing uncertainty and exploration.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the non-trivial nature of the regions defined by the integrals and the complications arising from the non-linear relationships in the problem. There are unresolved aspects related to the assumptions made about the areas and the functions involved.

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Dear All,
Sorry perhaps for a silly-looking question from someone who does not have very strong math skills.
In the attached pdf file, I describe a problem which I have been trying to unsuccessfully crack after trying a few manipulations.

Some intuitive thoughts are as follows: the inner two integrals over dy and dd give an area. Perhaps that area depends only on the "height" m. Suppose this area is a sheet of density 1/unit area. The final goal is to integrate E^area over dm.

Is the integral of exponential area of unit density/area = integral of unit area of exponential density/area? Can we pull that exponential "through" the integration?

Any other suggestions helping to transform (1) into a triple integral are highly appreciated.

Thanks a lot.

Anna.
P.S. This is not a h/w question, it is for my own research.
 

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Have you made any progress on this. Perhaps someone has ideas about a simpler case.


Does [tex]\int_0^t \left[ e^{\int_y^t f(x) dx } \right] dy [/itex]<br /> <br /> capture what your asking about?<br /> <br /> We want to express this as a double integral with the integral signs both to the left of [itex]e[/itex].[/tex]
 
Stephen Tashi said:
Have you made any progress on this. Perhaps someone has ideas about a simpler case.


Does [tex]\int_0^t \left[ e^{\int_y^t f(x) dx } \right] dy [/itex]<br /> <br /> capture what your asking about?<br /> <br /> We want to express this as a double integral with the integral signs both to the left of [itex]e[/itex].[/tex]
[tex] <br /> Hi Tashi,<br /> Thanks a lor for your reply.<br /> I think it is not possible to trasform that integral the way I want. I had to do a sequence of NIntegrations as oppsed to doing a simple double integral.<br /> Regards,<br /> Anna.[/tex]
 
Anna Kaladze said:
Dear All,
Sorry perhaps for a silly-looking question from someone who does not have very strong math skills.
In the attached pdf file, I describe a problem which I have been trying to unsuccessfully crack after trying a few manipulations.

Some intuitive thoughts are as follows: the inner two integrals over dy and dd give an area. Perhaps that area depends only on the "height" m. Suppose this area is a sheet of density 1/unit area. The final goal is to integrate E^area over dm.

Is the integral of exponential area of unit density/area = integral of unit area of exponential density/area? Can we pull that exponential "through" the integration?

Any other suggestions helping to transform (1) into a triple integral are highly appreciated.

Thanks a lot.

Anna.
P.S. This is not a h/w question, it is for my own research.

After looking at your integral, (the one inside your exponential), you are going to get a non-trivial region for the double integral that is of course dependent on your function (that is it's not going to be a rectangle or even any static region, but something more complex).

As for turning your equation into a triple integral, good luck with that. I can't think of any transform off the top of my head that will turn your exponential term into a relevant integral. Most transforms I've seen transform standard integrals that a linear into other linear integrals. The fact that you've got this non-linear relationship makes it a lot more complicated.
 

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