Can cells be reduced to physics?

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Cells are composed of atoms and function according to physical laws, which are foundational to biological processes. The discussion highlights the interconnectedness of biology and physics, emphasizing that biological systems operate under the same physical principles that govern all matter. For instance, molecular interactions within cells, such as binding and waste disposal, are driven by physical laws rather than biological magic. Understanding physics is essential for molecular biologists, as it informs their study of cellular processes and interactions. The conversation acknowledges that while biology applies physical laws, there is still much to learn about complex systems, such as the brain. The field of biophysics exemplifies this integration, exploring how physical principles underpin biological functions. Overall, the discussion reinforces that biology is fundamentally rooted in physics, with ongoing research aimed at unraveling the complexities of cellular mechanisms.
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I admittedly do not know a lot about cells...all I know is that they compose life. Now, a cell is made up of thousands of atoms correct? What I do remember from my last bio class was that there are different parts of cells that do different functions.

My question is, do the parts of cells performing their functions do so because of physical laws, not biological? For example, if one part of a cell is in charge of discreting waste, does it do so because of physical laws?

I don't know if I am being clear - for example, A bullet leaves the barrel of a gun because of physical laws, because of the energy released by the explosion.
 
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Actually biology and physics are mutually intertwined.
There is a whole field devoted to it, biophysics.
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All things happen because of physics. Physics is the building blocks of all science because it includes teh study of atoms (and cells are made of atoms so we got teh ground floor on that :D)
 
KingNothing said:
My question is, do the parts of cells performing their functions do so because of physical laws, not biological? For example, if one part of a cell is in charge of discreting waste, does it do so because of physical laws?

As has been mentioned, yes. Biology doesn't invoke magic. Physical laws apply to biological systems.
 
Biology is physics of life.

You cannot be a good (molecular) biologist without understanding physics, how that leads to chemistry and how a cell exploits that.

For instance: you can have a molecule that needs to bind to another molecule, but the interaction is not very strong. The way the cell makes up for that is by increasing the valency of the molecule: if it has 5 indentical arms, the interaction will be stronger.

I am talking about IgM here. Later the immune system will start hypermutation to increase the specificity and strength of the interaction, after which the valency of the molecule will go down: you get IgG.
 
I know a lot about cell and cellular biology, and I can safely say that everthing, like cell processes, happen through physics.
 
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That's not to say, of course, that biologists don't discover new consequences of the physical laws. Technically, this is most of what physicists do as well.
 
Ofcourse, (molecular) biologists use physical laws to describe systems.. we apply the knowledge. We use desorption of molecules, x-ray diffraction, nuclear magnetic resonance, measurement of bonding strengths. Biology is not all about watching a bird migrate from one continent to another :wink:
 
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As has been mentioned, yes. Biology doesn't invoke magic. Physical laws apply to biological systems.

Alright, I know it may have sounded like an odd question to a lot of you...I knew of course that cells followed physical laws, but I didn't know whether or not we completely understood it yet. For example, how most of us probably believe that the brain works through physics, however mankind has a lot longer to go before we actually fully understand thoughts and how they work.
 
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KingNothing said:
Alright, I know it may have sounded like an odd question to a lot of you...I knew of course that cells followed physical laws, but I didn't know whether or not we completely understood it yet. For example, how most of us probably believe that the brain works through physics, however mankind has a lot longer to go before we actually fully understand thoughts and how they work.

Cell biology is sort of at the boundary where the interactions are simple enough that the physics can clearly be seen, although I expect any day now to see a paper on the total physics of the little nematode worm Caenorhabditis Elegans, about which one hell of a lot of detail is known.
 
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