Can cold air become water in a vacuum cylinder?

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Cold air can potentially become water in a vacuum cylinder, but this depends on the temperature and pressure conditions. The discussion clarifies that water vapor can condense into liquid if sufficiently cooled, but achieving this in a vacuum is challenging due to the reduced boiling point at lower pressures. The phase diagram of water indicates that at low pressures, water may transition directly from vapor to solid without becoming liquid, a process known as sublimation. The presence of air does not significantly alter these phase transitions. Understanding the specific temperature and pressure conditions is crucial for determining the state of water in this scenario.
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can cold air become water in a vacuum cylinder?
 
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JII said:
can cold air become water in a vacuum cylinder?
That's a confusing question: water isn't air. So either you mean condensing water vapor that is in the air or liquefying the air. Either can be done if cold enough, but trying to do it in a vacuum works against you.
 
russ_watters said:
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That's a confusing question: water isn't air. So either you mean condensing water vapor that is in the air or liquefying the air. Either can be done if cold enough, but trying to do it in a vacuum works against you.
Yes, water vapor
 
JII said:
can cold air become water in a vacuum cylinder?
If you apply a cold enough temperature, then yes it is possible.
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JII said:
Yes, water vapor
Why would the vacuum work against me?
 
JII said:
Why would the vacuum work against me?
Check out the phase diagram for water or a steam table; As you reduce the pressure, the boiling point goes down.
 
russ_watters said:
Check out the phase diagram for water or a steam table; As you reduce the pressure, the boiling point goes down.
Okay
 
JII said:
can cold air become water in a vacuum cylinder?
Let me re-state "cold air" as "a mixture of cold air and water". Is that OK?
The answer to your question will depend upon the Temperature and the value of the pressure in your "vacuum cylinder". If you look at the Phase Diagram in this link, it shows how the phases of water depend on the pressure / temperature combination. There is a "triple Point" for water (around 0°C) at which water can exist as solid, vapour and liquid and move from one to another. The state of the water, as you leave that point in various directions, is shown on the diagram. One simple fact emerges and that is that water can't exist as liquid towards the bottom left corner of the diagram, for any finite value of low pressure, there is a temperature at which water will pass from [edit] vapour to sold and back, without going through a liquid phase (called Sublimation).
The presence of Air, doesn't make any significant difference to the situation.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
Let me re-state "cold air" as "a mixture of cold air and water". Is that OK?
The answer to your question will depend upon the Temperature and the value of the pressure in your "vacuum cylinder". If you look at the Phase Diagram in this link, it shows how the phases of water depend on the pressure / temperature combination. There is a "triple Point" for water (around 0°C) at which water can exist as solid, vapour and liquid and move from one to another. The state of the water, as you leave that point in various directions, is shown on the diagram. One simple fact emerges and that is that water can't exist as liquid towards the bottom left corner of the diagram, for any finite value of low pressure, there is a temperature at which water will pass from [edit] vapour to sold and back, without going through a liquid phase (called Sublimation).
The presence of Air, doesn't make any significant difference to the situation.
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