Can entropy be used to measure time?

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The discussion explores the concept of using entropy as a means to measure time, suggesting that a device could calculate entropy in a system to provide a numerical time value. It raises questions about the reliability of such a system compared to traditional atomic clocks, emphasizing that entropy's relationship with time is qualitative rather than quantitative. Participants debate the feasibility of measuring entropy accurately enough to function as a clock, with one suggesting that any clock could be viewed through the lens of entropy change. The conversation highlights the challenges in creating a reliable entropy-based timekeeping device and the need for a consistent system to measure. Overall, the idea remains speculative and lacks a clear path to practical implementation.
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Hello dbmorpher here,
I was looking at some articles on entropy and wondered, could this be used to calculate time?
Entropy is known as the arrow of time, figurative I know but could actually be used to measure.
If there was a device that calculated the entropy in a set system couldn't it automatically calculate it and give a numerical value?
This would need a set system for all clocks but would render any other non- atomic clocks obsolete because it is based on measurements and calculations instead of gears and circuitry.

I would like to know if what I said in that last sentence could happen and if I could make one myself.

I found this
http://www.eoht.info/page/Entropy+clock
But I do not understand it very well.
 
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This is VERY puzzling. What system do you wish to measure the entropy of that is SO reliable as to be used as a clock? And how would this be more accurate than current atomic/Cs clock?

BTW, the naive link between entropy and the arrow of time is a QUALITATIVE relationship, not a QUANTITATIVE one. Nothing here says that entropy can provide an accurate MEASURE of time.

Zz.
 
Right. I could use a pot of water on my stove as a clock, but it would be cumbersome and not all that accurate.
 
Well from what I have learned entropy is measured not observed, therefore a small calculator sized computer could be fitted to a clock and measure the entropy in the system, the only way for the clock to be inaccurate is if the laws of thermodynamics broke.
Refute me if I am wrong.
 
ZapperZ said:
What system do you wish to measure the entropy of that is SO reliable as to be used as a clock?

Can you not think of all clocks in this way? A wound clock has less microstates available to it than an unwound clock. A clock is that which measures entropy change reliably. Reliably being defined as: it progresses in some constant ratio to other clocks.
 
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