Can High School Students Build a Spring-Assisted Magnetic Motor?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of building a spring-assisted magnetic motor as an assignment for high school students in an engineering program. Participants express confusion about the workings of the motor and question the validity of the project, particularly in relation to concepts of perpetual motion and over-unity devices.

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Main Points Raised

  • A participant describes their lack of understanding of the professor's diagram and the mechanics of the proposed motor, expressing doubt about its feasibility for high school students.
  • Another participant suggests that the project may be intended to demonstrate the impossibility of perpetual motion, questioning the professor's intentions.
  • One participant agrees that the design appears to be a poor attempt at an over-unity device and advises against pursuing it further.
  • A final reply states that discussions of perpetual motion machines (PMMs) or over-unity devices are not permitted on the forum, asserting their non-existence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express skepticism about the project, with multiple competing views on its validity and the professor's intentions. There is no consensus on the feasibility of the motor or the educational value of the assignment.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the potential misunderstanding of the project due to language barriers and the complexity of the concepts involved. There is an underlying assumption that the project may not align with established physical principles.

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So just some background info...I'm in a summer engineering program. We're all high school students (with little to no engineering experience), and we've only been in the program for two weeks now.

Just recently our professor assigned my group an assignment to create a spring-assisted magnetic motor. He drew a diagram for us on how to build it, but I simply don't understand how it works. To make it worse, our professor is from another country and speaks imperfect English with a strong accent. Needless to say, he's not the best at explaining things.

So the diagram is as follows:

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From what I understand, the topmost magnets exert force on each other, which then sends a force down the middle pole. This somehow turns the gears at the bottom, which turn each other. The gears then force the left & right poles upward, which does something to the magnets, which keeps them turning. There are also springs on the left & right to control the speed of the left & right rods?

Is this even possible, let alone for high school kids? From what I gathered on the internet, over-unity designs have never worked and go against the laws of thermodynamics.

Can someone explain this to me? Thanks.
 
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Is it possible that your prof gave you a perpetual motion project to teach you that it would never work?
 
Agreed. It looks like a very poor attempt at an over-unity device. Don't waste your time on it. (Are you sure that this guy is an exchange teacher, rather than some escaped lunatic with false ID?)
 
Welcome to the PF.

We do not discuss PMMs or over-unity devices at the PF. They do not exist. Thread is closed.
 

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