Can I change the limits of this double integral

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The problem involves evaluating a double integral of the function f(x,y) = 6x^2 + 2y over the region R, which is bounded by the curves y = x^2 and y = 4. The original poster is considering whether they can simplify the evaluation by focusing on the first quadrant due to the symmetry of the functions involved.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to determine if they can work with only the first quadrant and double their result based on the even nature of the functions. They express uncertainty about the limits of integration and the correctness of their initial setup.
  • Some participants suggest alternative forms for the integral and discuss the implications of splitting the integral, noting that it may not significantly simplify the problem.
  • There is a question raised about whether the relationship observed between the two forms of the integral holds true generally for regions formed by even functions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the validity of the original poster's approach and discussing the conditions under which their reasoning applies. There is acknowledgment of the symmetry in the problem, and some guidance is offered regarding the use of Fubini's theorem and the behavior of the integrand.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster's approach relies on the symmetry of the functions involved and the specific characteristics of the region defined by the curves. There is mention of potential complications with improper integrals, suggesting that the discussion is situated within a broader context of calculus principles.

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Homework Statement



R is the region bounded by y=x^2 and y=4. evaluate the double integral of f(x,y)=6x^2+2y over R

After drawing the region I was wondering if I could just work with the first quadrant and then double my solution, because both y=x^2 and y=4 are even functions so my question is does my solution work? If so would my very first line be correct? Oh and I'm not sure how to write what I'm integrating between so when I put ∫[a,b]f'(x)dx that's f(a)-f(b).

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The Attempt at a Solution



∫[4,0]∫[y^1/2,-y^1/2]6x^2+2y dxdy = 2*∫[4,0]∫[y^1/2,0] 6x^2+2y dxdy
following it through
= 2*∫[4,0] [[2(y^1/2)^3+2*y*y^1/2]-[0]] dy
= 2*∫[4,0] 4*y^3/2 dy
= 2*[[8/5*(4^5/2)]-[0]]
= 512/5
 
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That looks right at a glance. You can split it, but it does not help much.

write

[tex]\int_{-2}^2 \int_{x^2}^4 \! (6x^2+2y) \text{ dy dx}[/tex]

or just

[tex]\int \limits_A \! (6x^2+2y) \text{ dA}[/tex]

if you can't be bothered with the limits.
 
lurflurf said:
That looks right at a glance. You can split it, but it does not help much.

write

[tex]\int_{-2}^2 \int_{x^2}^4 \! (6x^2+2y) \text{ dy dx}[/tex]

or just

[tex]\int \limits_A \! (6x^2+2y) \text{ dA}[/tex]

if you can't be bothered with the limits.

Okay let me rephrase my question with the aid of proper symbols :)

[tex]\int_{-2}^2 \int_{x^2}^4 \! (6x^2+2y) \text{ dy dx}[/tex] =
[tex]2*{\int_{0}^4 \int_{0}^{y^{1/2}} \! (6x^2+2y) \text{ dx dy}}[/tex]

Is this just coincidence or is this always true when you have a Region formed by two even functions as in the question?
 
Yes that is true (with some conditions) it is called Fubini's theorem. It is not quite always true if you include improper integrals, for example this common example given in the above Wikipedia link.

[tex]\int_0^1 \int_0^1 \frac{x^2-y^2}{(x^2+y^2)^2} \text{ dx dy}=-\int_0^1 \int_0^1 \frac{x^2-y^2}{(x^2+y^2)^2} \text{ dy dx}[/tex]

That is the type of thing considered in theoretical treatments of calculus, but it is good to be aware of. When the function either does not go to infinity or is absolutely integrable it is safe to interchange the integrals. Of course (6x^2+2y) is a very well behaved integrant. What you have done is express the region in two equivalent ways.

2<x<-2 and x^2<y<4
is the same as
0<y<4 and -sqrt(y)<x<sqrt(y)

and your symmetry argument that the integral over half the region equals half the integral over the whole region.
 
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