Can I replace an LC circuit with a crystal?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the feasibility of replacing an LC circuit with a crystal in an FM transmitter design. Participants explore the implications of using a crystal for achieving high frequency stability, as well as the technical challenges associated with such a substitution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that using a crystal instead of an LC circuit could enhance frequency tolerance for an FM transmitter.
  • Another participant warns that crystals and ceramic resonators cannot simply replace the tuned circuit due to their DC insulating properties.
  • It is noted that while crystals can provide frequency stability, they may not be suitable for wideband FM applications.
  • Some participants mention that specific crystal oscillator circuits exist, but not all would function at the desired frequency of the original circuit.
  • One participant highlights the difficulty of modifying the existing circuit due to impedance mismatches and suggests looking for established designs for crystal oscillators.
  • Another participant raises the question of how to frequency modulate a crystal and discusses methods such as using varactor diodes for modulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality of replacing an LC circuit with a crystal, with some supporting the idea for stability while others caution against the technical challenges and limitations involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to achieve the desired frequency modulation.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for specific frequency crystals and the potential costs associated with obtaining them. There are also references to the complexities of achieving wideband FM from crystal oscillators and the implications of phase modulation versus frequency modulation.

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Hello all,

I am trying to make an FM transmitter that operates at only 1 frequency. I need the frequency tolerance to be very high, so I'd like to choose a crystal instead of an LC circuit.

This is the circuit I'm building: http://cappels.org/dproj/FMdist/fmdis.htm

If I were to replace the tank circuit with a crystal, would it operate the same way?
 
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Hello

Please take note of the warning notice about the legality of transmitters that appears at the top of your linked-to article.

Such a transmitter, if legal in your country, would work if you used a ceramic resonator of the appropriate frquency, rather than a crystal.
 
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I checked the FCC's regulations. They outline a specific section for hobbyists making low power unlicensed transmitters. I'm perfectly within my rights to make this transmitter.

And thank you for the advice about the resonator.
 
Crystals and ceramic resonators are both insulators to DC so you could not just remove the tuned circuit and substitute a crystal or a ceramic resonator.

However, there are plenty of crystal oscillator circuits you could use. Not all of them would work at the frequency that this circuit operates at, though.

Operation in the commercial FM radio band would require a 90+ MHz overtone crystal which would be expensive if you have to order one especially made.

Also, it is quite difficult to get wideband FM from a crystal oscillator.

Wireless microphones get around this problem by generating FM at a low frequency (like 8 MHz or so) and then mixing this with a crystal oscillator to get to the required output frequency (sometimes 45 MHz or so)
 
If you want frequency stability then you are right; LC is certainly not the best way to go. If you want a suitable circuit then look in the Radio Ham and constructor pages. Trying to take that circuit and to modify it would be difficult as the impedances would be all wrong. There are dozens of tried and tested circuit designs for crystal and ceramic resonators.
If this is one of your first projects then you don't want to be doing any design mods - you want it to be as easy as possible and VHF frequencies are not like audio.
I found this link amongst others
 
Here's a crystal oscillator circuit that shouldn't be too hard to incorporate into your circuit. As for the unconnected lead from C2, I'm guessing that goes to the collector of the next stage in order to increase positive feedback.
 

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How are you going to frequency modulate the crystal? Often the frequency of the crystal is multiplied a number of times in order to increase the deviation. You can also modulate the tank circuit with varactor diodes which will give you an even more stable carrier but technically it's phase modulation instead of frequency modulation. It has an advantage of providing natural pre-emphasis to audio frequencies. A phase modulated signal must also be multiplied up multiple times in order to get enough deviation.
 

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