Can I use thermal expansion to hold together materials?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using thermal expansion to secure aluminum disks onto a steel shaft in the construction of a Tesla turbine. Participants explore the principles of thermal expansion and contraction in metals, considering both practical applications and potential challenges in this assembly method.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes heating aluminum disks to a few hundred degrees while cooling a steel shaft to -100 degrees Fahrenheit to achieve a tight fit through thermal expansion and contraction.
  • Another participant notes that this method has been historically used for mounting components, such as starter ring gears on automobile engines, but expresses uncertainty about its effectiveness for smaller diameters due to potential distortion of the aluminum disk.
  • A third participant shares an example from the injection molding field, where a similar thermal expansion concept is applied in hot runner systems, suggesting that the method can withstand high pressures, though the specific application may differ.
  • A later reply emphasizes that while this assembly method is common, it can become complicated as the hot part cools and the cold part heats, recommending the use of continuous heat during assembly for better results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of confidence in the proposed method, with some sharing successful applications while others raise concerns about potential issues such as distortion and the challenges of assembly. There is no consensus on the effectiveness of this approach for the specific application discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the importance of the size and fit of the components, as well as the need for careful management of temperatures during assembly. There are unresolved questions about the specific thermal properties of the materials involved and the practical limits of the proposed method.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in mechanical assembly techniques, thermal expansion applications, or those working with materials in engineering contexts may find this discussion relevant.

Cbrown92
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Okay, I will give a quick run down of what I am trying to do here. What I want to do is build a tesla turbine from old hard drive disks. Being that they're already rated for high RPM, it seems like a viable option. Now these disks are probably going to be aluminum and I am probably going to buy steel shaft for them to attach to.

I know that metals like most anything else expand when heated and contract when cooled. My question is if I were to heat the aluminum disks to a few hundred degrees, and cool the shaft to say -100 degrees (Fahrenheit) ensuring the disks just BARELY side onto the shaft. When the shaft warms up and the disks cool down will the disks contract enough, and the shaft expand enough to hold itself rigidly in place without any glues?

Any help or guidance on this would be a MASSIVE help.
 
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Essentially this method was used for a long time to mount the starter ring gear onto an automobile engine flywheel. Still may be, I don't know. However the diameter there was well over a foot, not sure how it would work for a small diameter shaft. I would expect some distortion of the aluminum disc.
 
In the injection molding field, we used this concept (if I am understanding it correctly) to shut off between a mold face and a hot tip on a hot runner system. A hot runner system is essentially an area in the mold that is internally heated to keep the polymer flowing nicely. We actually design a several thousand's gap between the hot tip and the face of the mold so that when the hot runner system heats up, the tip thermally expands and shuts off against the inside face of the mold. Now we shoot plastic at anywhere from 5000psi to 35,000psi (generally), so the shutoff holds up against a lot of pressure. Not sure what your application will see but it's worth looking into in my opinion.

Husky
 
This is a very common method of assembly for all kinds of applications. Typically, the parts are sized for the intended interference fit at room temp, but remember that as soon as they come into contact with each other, the hot part starts cooling, and the cold part starts heating, so things can get very sticky very rapidly. If you can continue to apply heat during assembly, ie with a propane torch say, it will go much more smoothly. Its also best if you limit the distance the pieces have to move while being assembled, or don't require too tight a finished fit.
 

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