Can I use three equations for the same concept?

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Indranil
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Concept
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of three kinematic equations related to constant acceleration: v = u + at, x = ut + 1/2 at^2, and v^2 = u^2 + 2ax. Participants explore whether these equations can be used interchangeably and under what conditions this might be valid.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the three equations can be used interchangeably for constant acceleration, suggesting that each equation relates different pairs of unknowns.
  • One participant proposes that if acceleration (a) is zero, the equations yield velocity, but raises the question of what happens when acceleration is not zero.
  • Another participant emphasizes that only the first equation directly provides the final velocity (v), while the second does not include v at all, and the third equation involves multiple unknowns.
  • It is noted that the initial velocity (u) is typically given in a problem statement and does not need to be solved for.
  • Participants discuss the implications of using these equations based on the specific information available in a problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the equations can be used interchangeably. There are multiple competing views regarding the conditions under which this might be valid, particularly concerning the role of acceleration and the relationships between the variables.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the implications of using the equations interchangeably, particularly when different variables are involved. The discussion highlights the need for clarity on which variables are known and how they relate to each other in different contexts.

Indranil
Messages
177
Reaction score
11
1. v = u + at
2. x = ut + 1/2 at^2
3. u^2 = + 2ax
Can I use three equeations above for the same concept 'constant accelaration' interchangeablly?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Indranil said:
Can I use three equeations above for the same concept 'constant accelaration' interchangeablly?

What do you think? What conditions would have to be true for you to be able to use these three equations interchangeably?
 
Indranil said:
3. u^2 = + 2ax
I would rewrite this one as v^2 = u^2 + 2ax, since you're using u as the initial velocity.

Indranil said:
Can I use three equeations above for the same concept 'constant accelaration' interchangeablly?
Those equations are valid for constant acceleration, but do they say the same thing? Hint: Note that each equation relates a different pair of "unknowns".
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: russ_watters
PeterDonis said:
What do you think? What conditions would have to be true for you to be able to use these three equations interchangeably?
If a = 0, we get 'velocity' in every equations.
 
Indranil said:
If a = 0, we get 'velocity' in every equations.

But what about if ##a \neq 0##?
 
PeterDonis said:
But what about if ##a \neq 0##?
I think, I don't get 'velocity' in every eqeations.
 
Indranil said:
I think, I don't get 'velocity' in every eqeations.

I'm not sure what you mean by "get velocity". Only the first equation is an equation for the velocity ##v##.

Perhaps we should take a step back and ask: why would you want to use these three equations interchangeably?
 
PeterDonis said:
I'm not sure what you mean by "get velocity". Only the first equation is an equation for the velocity ##v##.

Perhaps we should take a step back and ask: why would you want to use these three equations interchangeably?
To get the velocity either initial or final velocity. It is my own presumption. I may be wrong with this concept.
 
Indranil said:
To get the velocity either initial or final velocity.

The initial velocity is just ##u##; you don't solve for that, it's something that should be given in the statement of the problem.

The final velocity ##v## has to be obtained from the first equation. You can't obtain it from the second equation since it doesn't appear at all. The third equation has ##v## in it (at least, it does with the correction @Doc Al gave) but it also has ##x## in it, which is another unknown; so it won't give you ##v## in terms of quantities that are known from the statement of the problem.
 
  • #10
Each of your three equations relates a different pair of unknowns. (As @PeterDonis stated, u is a given, as is the acceleration.)

The first equation relates v & t.
The second equation relates x & t.
The third equation relates v & x.

So each equation describes constant acceleration motion in a different way. Depending upon the particular problem you're dealing with--and the information given--one equation might be more useful than another. While all three deal with accelerated motion, they are not the same.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 49 ·
2
Replies
49
Views
4K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
918
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 29 ·
Replies
29
Views
4K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
10K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
3K
  • · Replies 27 ·
Replies
27
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K