Can Jensen's Inequality Prove 1/a+1/b+1/c+1/d>1?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical inequality involving positive variables \(a\), \(b\), \(c\), and \(d\), specifically whether the condition \( \frac{1}{a} + \frac{1}{b} + \frac{1}{c} + \frac{1}{d} > 1 \) can be proven under certain constraints on these variables. The context includes attempts to apply Jensen's Inequality and various proposed solutions or counterexamples.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants present conditions such as \(a < 2\), \(a + b < 6\), \(a + b + c < 12\), and \(a + b + c + d < 24\) as a basis for proving the inequality.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the correctness of a proof and suggests that something may be amiss, indicating a need for further exploration using Jensen's Inequality.
  • Another participant claims confidence in their second solution, asserting that their approach is simpler and beneficial for teaching, while acknowledging an error in their first solution related to the application of the Arithmetic Mean-Geometric Mean inequality.
  • Several participants provide specific numerical examples to illustrate their points, such as \( \frac{1}{1.2} + \frac{1}{4.7} > 1 \), and discuss the implications of choosing values for \(a\), \(b\), \(c\), and \(d\) that are close to 1.
  • One participant challenges the mathematical validity of another's intuitive approach, suggesting that it does not hold under certain conditions.
  • Another participant suggests that if all variables are to be considered, they should be maximized to minimize their reciprocals, indicating a strategic approach to the problem.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of various proposed solutions and the application of mathematical principles. No consensus is reached regarding the correctness of the approaches or the overall proof of the inequality.

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Some participants note that their solutions may not be strictly rigorous, suggesting that observational reasoning can sometimes aid in understanding the problem better.

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Let $a,\,b,\,c,\,d>0$ such that $a<2$, $a+b<6$, $a+b+c<12$ and $a+b+c+d<24$.

Prove that $\dfrac{1}{a}+\dfrac{1}{b}+\dfrac{1}{c}+\dfrac{1}{d}>1$.
 
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anemone said:
Let $a,\,b,\,c,\,d>0$ such that $a<2---(1)$, $a+b<6---(2)$, $a+b+c<12---(3)$ and $a+b+c+d<24---(4)$.

Prove that $\dfrac{1}{a}+\dfrac{1}{b}+\dfrac{1}{c}+\dfrac{1}{d}>1$.
from (1):$\dfrac {1}{a}>\dfrac {1}{2}---(5)$
using $AP\geq GP$
from (2)$6>a+b\geq 2\sqrt{ab}$
$\therefore ab< 9, or,\,\, \dfrac {1}{ab}>\dfrac {1}{9}$
$\dfrac {1}{a}+\dfrac {1}{b}\geq 2\sqrt {\dfrac {1}{ab}}>\dfrac {2}{3}--(6)$
from (3)$12>a+b+c\geq 3\sqrt[3]{abc}$
$\therefore abc< 64, or,\,\, \dfrac {1}{abc}>\dfrac {1}{64}$
$\dfrac {1}{a}+\dfrac {1}{b}+\dfrac {1}{c}\geq 3\sqrt [3]{\dfrac{1}{abc}}>\dfrac {3}{4}---(7)$
to be continued----

 
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other solution :
range of $a:1<a<2$
range of $b:1<b<4$
range of $c: 1<c<6$
range of $d : 1<d<12$
so $\dfrac {1}{a}+\dfrac{1}{b}+\dfrac{1}{c}+\dfrac {1}{d}>\dfrac {6+3+2+1}{12}=1$
for if anyone of $a,b,c,d\leq 1$ then there is no need to prove


 
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Albert said:
from (1):$\dfrac {1}{a}>\dfrac {1}{2}---(5)$
using $AP\geq GP$
from (2)$6>a+b\geq 2\sqrt{ab}$
$\therefore ab< 9, or,\,\, \dfrac {1}{ab}>\dfrac {1}{9}$
$\dfrac {1}{a}+\dfrac {1}{b}\geq 2\sqrt {\dfrac {1}{ab}}>\dfrac {2}{3}--(6)$
from (3)$12>a+b+c\geq 3\sqrt[3]{abc}$
$\therefore abc< 64, or,\,\, \dfrac {1}{abc}>\dfrac {1}{64}$
$\dfrac {1}{a}+\dfrac {1}{b}+\dfrac {1}{c}\geq 3\sqrt [3]{\dfrac{1}{abc}}>\dfrac {3}{4}---(7)$
to be continued----



Hi Albert,

I hope you would remember to finish the proof, but I will wait! :)

Albert said:
other solution :
range of $a:1<a<2$
range of $b:1<b<4$
range of $c: 1<c<6$
range of $d : 1<d<12$
so $\dfrac {1}{a}+\dfrac{1}{b}+\dfrac{1}{c}+\dfrac {1}{d}>\dfrac {6+3+2+1}{12}=1$
for if anyone of $a,b,c,d\leq 1$ then there is no need to prove

Hmm...I cannot say this proof is not correct, but I have the feeling that something is amiss...:confused: chances are I could be wrong though.

I will post back for the solution using the Jensen's Inequality method, not today but soon, I promise.
 
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I am sure my second solution is correct ,and nothing is amiss
I usually use simpler way to solve a math problem , this will give my students a better understanding
in fact there is something amiss in my first solution , for using $AP\geq GP$,
the ranges $0<a,b,c,d \leq 1$ have also taken into consideration
within this range ,the statement is always true there is no need to prove
 
Albert said:
other solution :
range of $a:1<a<2$
range of $b:1<b<4$
range of $c: 1<c<6$
range of $d : 1<d<12$
so $\dfrac {1}{a}+\dfrac{1}{b}+\dfrac{1}{c}+\dfrac {1}{d}>\dfrac {6+3+2+1}{12}=1$
for if anyone of $a,b,c,d\leq 1$ then there is no need to prove

a = 1.2, b= 4.7 is a contradiction
 
kaliprasad said:
a = 1.2, b= 4.7 is a contradiction
$\dfrac {1}{1.2}+\dfrac {1}{4.7}>1$ and there is no need to take c,d into consideration
when anyone of a,b,c,d is bigger than 1 and very close to 1 then its reciprocal very close to 1
for example if you take b=4 then $\dfrac {1}{b}=0.25$ ,and $a$ must bigger then $\dfrac {4}{3}>1.2 $ for $\dfrac {3}{4}=0.75$ ,the sum of $\dfrac {1}{a}+\dfrac {1}{b}=1$
may be you can help me to find better ranges for a,b,c,d
 
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Albert said:
$\dfrac {1}{1.2}+\dfrac {1}{4.7}>1$ and there is no need to take c,d into consideration
when anyone of a,b,c,d is bigger than 1 and very close to 1 then its reciprocal very close to 1
for example if you take b=4 then $\dfrac {1}{b}=0.25$ ,and $a$ must bigger then $\dfrac {4}{3}>1.2 $ for $\dfrac {3}{4}=0.75$ ,the sum of $\dfrac {1}{a}+\dfrac {1}{b}=1$
may be you can help me to find better ranges for a,b,c,d

what I meant that I have provided a case which contradicts your claim if b < 4 and your solution is inituitive and not correct mathemetically This is no way to provide a solution based on gut feeling.
 
if a,b,c,d all should be taken into consideration ,then a,b,c,d must be as bigger as possible ,
that is 1/a, 1/b, 1/c and 1/d as smaller as possible (and "a" affects most)
for example even if we let b=5 ,then "a" very close to 5/4 =1.25>1.2
I admit my solution is not strict ,but sometimes by observation we can make the original problem easier for studens to understand
 
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Solution of other using Jensen's Inequality:

Applying Jensen's Inequality to the function $f(x)=\dfrac{1}{x}$ for $x>0$ gives

$\begin{align*}\dfrac{1}{a}+\dfrac{1}{b}+\dfrac{1}{c}+\dfrac{1}{d}&=\dfrac{1}{2}f\left(\dfrac{a}{2}\right)+\dfrac{1}{4}f\left(\dfrac{b}{4}\right)+\dfrac{1}{6}f\left(\dfrac{c}{6}\right)+\dfrac{1}{12}f\left(\dfrac{d}{12}\right)\\&>f\left(\dfrac{a}{4}+\dfrac{b}{16}+\dfrac{c}{36}+\dfrac{d}{144}\right)\\&=\dfrac{144}{36a+9b+4c+d}\\&=\dfrac{144}{27a+5(a+b)+3(a+b+c)+(a+b+c+d)}\\&>\dfrac{144}{27(2)+5(6)+3(12)+24}=1\end{align*}$

and we're hence done.
 

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