Can Kinetic Energy be Generated without Initial Speed?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of generating kinetic energy in a scenario where an object is pushed up a slope from rest and comes to rest again at the top. Participants are examining the relationship between work done, friction, and gravitational potential energy in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore whether it is feasible for an object to start from rest, be pushed up a slope, and end at rest, questioning the implications of work done against friction and gravitational potential energy. There are discussions about the nature of forces involved, particularly regarding constant versus variable forces.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the assumptions behind the problem setup. Some have offered clarifications about the nature of forces and the implications of constant versus non-constant forces, but no consensus has been reached regarding the initial question.

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One participant notes that they are working within a curriculum that primarily deals with constant forces, which may influence the interpretations and approaches discussed.

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Homework Statement


Is it possible to have a scenario like this. An object is pushed up a slope and it has no initial speed. When it reaches the top the object's speed is also zero. So it's like work done by push+work done against friction=mgh. It doesn't seem plausible to me.

Homework Equations


Work done=force X distance moved in the direction of force


The Attempt at a Solution


I don't think it's possible as the object has 0 kinetic energy at the end. That means that the applied force can only counter the friction so it shouldn't be able to start moving at all unless it initially has speed already then it would be work done by push+work done against friction+KE=KE+mgh in this case even though numerically is the same it is different as now when there is no net force the object still has velocity so by Newton's first law it will continue to move up to the top with a constant speed.

The only possible way when the object has no velocity at first is if there is kinetic energy at the end because this means that the object accelerated which means there is net force acting on the object which makes it plausible for it to move.

Are these correct? Thanks for the help!
 
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The acceleration doesn't have to be constant. The object may start at rest, be pushed up the slope, and allowed to come to rest again.
work done by push+work done against friction=mgh
No. Try that again.
 
haruspex said:
The acceleration doesn't have to be constant. The object may start at rest, be pushed up the slope, and allowed to come to rest again.

No. Try that again.

but if we look at a constant force then that's not possible right? Since if we just look at the forces acting on the object, the object experiences no net force.
 
sgstudent said:
but if we look at a constant force then that's not possible right? Since if we just look at the forces acting on the object, the object experiences no net force.
If the force were constant it would not be possible since the object would keep moving faster. But your problem statement doesn't say it's constant.
 
haruspex said:
If the force were constant it would not be possible since the object would keep moving faster. But your problem statement doesn't say it's constant.

Oh sorry I forgot to say I was taking O level so we deal with constant forces only. Thanks
 
sgstudent said:
Oh sorry I forgot to say I was taking O level so we deal with constant forces only. Thanks
I accept that you are only expected to deal with forces that are constant, but that's not quite the same as only dealing with problems in which all forces are constant. If you can solve a problem without having to consider forces, that might be within your syllabus.
 

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