Can Known Electric and Magnetic Fields be Used to Derive Current Sources?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the possibility of deriving electric and magnetic current sources from known electric and magnetic fields within a closed surface. The context includes theoretical aspects of electromagnetism, particularly focusing on the equivalence principle and methods for calculating currents based on known fields.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires whether it is possible to derive electric and magnetic currents from known fields in a closed surface, assuming homogeneity and constant permittivity and permeability.
  • Another participant references the equivalence principle, suggesting that known fields can be reproduced by exciting currents on the surface of the closed volume, with specific equations provided for the currents.
  • It is noted that while the total field can be known, calculating the scattered field directly in closed form is generally not feasible for most problems, leading to the use of matrix methods to estimate the excited currents.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between the incident fields and the fields generated by the excited currents, indicating that the total field can be found by adding the scattered fields to the incident fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no explicit consensus on the methods discussed, as participants acknowledge the complexity of calculating scattered fields and the limitations of direct solutions. Multiple approaches and techniques are presented, indicating a lack of agreement on a singular method.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the challenges of solving for scattered fields in closed form and the potential ill-conditioning of the problem due to resonant cavity modes. The reliance on matrix methods and finite basis estimates is noted as a common approach in the absence of direct solutions.

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Hi,

Lets say the electric and magnetic fields in an closed surface (2-D) are known. Is it possible to derive electric/magnetic currents that can create these fields? We can assume that the closed surface is homogenous with constant permittivity and permeability.

Is this a well known solvable problem with known techniques?

Really appreciate some guidance.

Thanks
 
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Yeah, this is known as the equivalence principle. http://books.google.com/books?id=PJ...epage&q=equivalence principle current&f=false

Basically, if we know the total field in a given volume, then the fields can be reproduced by exciting currents on the surface enclosing the volume and then suppressing the original fields. The currents are

\mathbf{J} = \hat{n}\times\mathbf{H}
\mathbf{M} = -\hat{n}\times\mathbf{E}

where n-hat is the outside normal of the surface. If we wish to solve for the scattered fields that arise using this method, then we use the PMCHWT moment method. This is where we use the appropriate boundary conditions to setup a set of linear equations relating the currents and the excitation fields. You could do this just using electric or magnetic currents but the problem because ill-conditioned because of possible resonant cavity modes in the interior of the enclosed volume. However, a moment method is unnecessary if you already know the total field of your system.
 
Thanks a lot.

Before reading the book i'll just make some points to clarify what you meant.

- If E and H fields are known in a given area (or volume), the equivalent electric and magnetic currents can be calculated on the boundary (or surface).
- These can be excited to get the E, H fields. Thus they are the sources for E, H
- If we want to observe scattering of these fields, the scatter can be enclosed within the area (or volume) and excite the same currents.
- Then to get the scattered field we can subtract the initial fields from the total field in the area (or volume)
 
Yeah, except we cannot calculate the scattered field directly in closed form for most problems. So instead, we estimate it using a finite basis and set up a matrix problem to solve for the excited currents. The fields from the excited currents are the scattered fields, add those to the incident fields to find the total field.
 

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