Can Magnets Be Used to Generate Energy Through Repelling Forces?

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The discussion revolves around the potential for magnets to generate energy through their repelling forces, particularly focusing on concepts of magnetic levitation and energy conversion. Participants explore theoretical ideas, practical applications, and the implications of energy conservation laws.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes the idea of using repelling magnets to create energy, suggesting a method for levitating a large magnet.
  • Another participant clarifies that while magnetic levitation is possible, it does not equate to energy generation, emphasizing that creating energy from such a system would violate conservation laws.
  • A different viewpoint asserts that many have attempted similar concepts, reinforcing that they do not work and suggesting that understanding calculus and electrodynamics could clarify why these ideas fail.
  • One participant explains that magnets do not create energy but rather convert energy from one form to another, such as kinetic energy to electrical energy in power plants.
  • Another participant highlights the necessity of work done to position magnets, indicating that the energy put into the system is equal to the energy returned by the magnets.
  • A later post reiterates the point about energy transfer in electrical devices, questioning the value of a hypothetical magnet generator.
  • One participant expresses frustration with the ongoing discussion, suggesting it should have been closed earlier.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the feasibility of using magnets to generate energy, with some asserting it is impossible due to conservation laws, while others explore the theoretical potential without consensus on practicality.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the laws of nature and energy conservation, but there are unresolved assumptions about the definitions of energy generation and the mechanics of magnetic systems.

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Ok first off do any of you think that magnets could be used to create energy? After all when you put two of the same polarities together they repel. Well could this repeling motion be turned into energy. I have drawn up a way that i believe we could levitate or float a large magnet and what this could be used for i have no idea but i do not claim the picture to be correct or to even work. Its just a rough thought in my head. I know that magnets can be made by heating certain materials like iron then placing them in a strong magnetic field but would these magnets stay magnetic and could magnets even be made in this large of a scale?
 

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Hi MattBooth44, welcome to PF!

You certainly can build magnetic levitation devices. Energy and levitation are not the same thing. It does not require energy to levitate. There are many different types of magnetic levitation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_levitation

Your idea that you could use magnetic levitation to turn a generator and get more energy out than you put in is a perpetual motion machine. It is against the laws of nature and also against the rules of the forum.
 
1000000000000 people have though of this already and it doesn't work. If this worked, then Universe wouldn't work, so as long as you are alive you know the universe is stable enough to sustain life which means the conservation of energy is in effect.

P.S. You might be frustrated because it seems you can get so close, and you might not see the true reason why it shouldn't work. If you want to get a deeper understanding of why this can't work, study calculus, vector analysis, and electrodynamics. It is neat stuff and you'll see exactly (using mathematics) why this can't work (has to do with properties of magnetic field, div=0 etc) Good luck.
 
Little known fact: Magnets DO create energy! Or rather, they transfer energy from things like kinetic energy of a turbine into electrical energy in a power plant. Without a source of energy to take from, you cannot create energy from anything else. This is why we need fuel to burn to release energy, or a river to provide hydroelectric power.

Every electic fan, motor, or anything else that uses electricity to turn or move contains electromagnets to transfer the energy from one form into another.
 
MattBooth44 said:
After all when you put two of the same polarities together they repel. Well could this repeling motion be turned into energy.

A rookie mistake is neglecting the work done to move the magnets to their position in the first place.

"when you put them together" = you need to do work on the magnets
"they repel" = they in turn do the same amount of work back on their surroundings
 
Drakkith said:
Little known fact: Magnets DO create energy! Or rather, they transfer energy from things like kinetic energy of a turbine into electrical energy in a power plant. Without a source of energy to take from, you cannot create energy from anything else. This is why we need fuel to burn to release energy, or a river to provide hydroelectric power.

Every electic fan, motor, or anything else that uses electricity to turn or move contains electromagnets to transfer the energy from one form into another.


but if a magnet generator was made what would it be worth?
 
This should have been locked when it was first started...it is now.
 

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