Can Mathematical Models Explain Scenes from The Day the Earth Stood Still?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical model related to a 30-degree wave into a sphere, which evokes memories of the robot from the classic film "The Day the Earth Stood Still." Participants clarify the distinction between this movie and "Forbidden Planet," while sharing nostalgic reflections on various science fiction films and shows from their childhoods. The conversation touches on the influence of Rod Serling and "The Twilight Zone," highlighting its clever storytelling and plot twists. Additionally, there are mentions of other notable sci-fi works and their impact on the genre. Overall, the thread emphasizes the lasting impression of these films and stories on the participants' lives.
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This model diagram is possible when index0/index1=index1/index2=radius2/radius1 for the model's variables. 30 degree wave into a sphere. Reminded me of something out of that old science fiction movie, The Day the Earth Stood Still.
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I don't recall any structure like that in the movie Forbidden Planet unless you mean that light bulb structure moving up and down in the vertical shafts when Morbius shows off Krell engineering in the underground city.

What are you planning to use it for? spaceship? some kind of weapon?
 
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No, not Forbidden Planet (a pretty good movie too, though). The Day the Earth Stood Still. With Michael Rennie. And that huge robot.
I wasn't planning to use it for anything. The head shape and visor shape reminded me of the robot in the movie. It would open its visor and blast beams out. This lens shape reminded me of that, that's all.
 
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Yes, me too. Childhood memories.
Another one I liked was the first Invaders from Mars. But the one that really scared the hell out of me as a kid was the original Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
Thanks for all that information. I checked it out. Didn't know of the 2008 remake or the short story by Harry Bates.
The visor reference was for the 1951 movie. Michael Rennie, Patricia Neal.
What are a couple of your favorite SF books?
 
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I always thought that the original story would have worked well as a The Twilight Zone episode.
If you watch the twilight zone from 1959 there are lots of plots that crop up in films decades later. Great series.
 
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Invaders from Mars scared me a lot. I imagined seeing those bubble people and getting sucked into the ground.

Also Target Earth where I imagined the evil robot would crash into my bedroom to plug itself in the wall socket to recharge its batteries. This was where they used high frequency sound to shatter the vacuum tubes in the robots head.

Darby O'Gill and the Little People was also scary, I liked it because of the Irish stories and leprechauns but was totally frightened by the Coach Du Bower and its headless coachman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dullahan

and I never forgot the poem:

three wishes I grant you large or small
wish a fourth and lose them all

so many things to scare the bejesus out of us kids, its a wonder we survived.
 
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great poem.

Yes, agree, still remember those scary movies. Invaders from Mars scared me a lot too. Maybe nightmares also, I vaguely remember now, on that one.

Twilight Zone episodes were always really good too.
 
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I didn't get to see the Twilight Zone until I was in high school or college. I did get to see Outer Limits, The Time Tunnel, Lost in Space and some reruns of Rocky Jones. I really liked Forbidden Planet especially Robby and often drew endless pictures of him in my school notebooks.

We would also get the horror sci-fi fanzines because they'd have black and white photos that we could copy. My friend had one of those projectors that could magnify and project an image on the wall so we could make our own posters of Robby and other things.

One Twilight Zone episode I remember vivdly was the where Anne Francis sells her soul to some witch so she could win the heart of a young man. The bargain meant that she would turn into a panther at night.

Another favorite episode was the one where the farmer went out hunting with his dog and he jumped into a pond to rescue his dog. Later, they're walking together on a road and see a sign to what looks like heaven but they don't take dogs so he and his dog travel on and discover its because dogs can sense danger and smell brimstone.

Lastly, I remember watching One Step Beyond, a show similar to tThe Twilight Zone only purported to be real. In one episode, they had a woman trapped in her house during a tsunami alert. She cries for help but can't get any. Later, a deaf retired Navy officer drives by hears her call and rescues her and she rescues him telling him about the tsunami alert. They actually had the woman appear at the end of the show.
 
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jedishrfu said:
I didn't get to see the Twilight Zone until I was in high school or college. I did get to see Outer Limits, The Time Tunnel, Lost in Space and some reruns of Rocky Jones. I really liked Forbidden Planet especially Robby and often drew endless pictures of him in my school notebooks.

We would also get the horror sci-fi fanzines because they'd have black and white photos that we could copy. My friend had one of those projectors that could magnify and project an image on the wall so we could make our own posters of Robby and other things.

One Twilight Zone episode I remember vivdly was the where Anne Francis sells her soul to some witch so she could win the heart of a young man. The bargain meant that she would turn into a panther at night.

Another favorite episode was the one where the farmer went out hunting with his dog and he jumped into a pond to rescue his dog. Later, they're walking together on a road and see a sign to what looks like heaven but they don't take dogs so he and his dog travel on and discover its because dogs can sense danger and smell brimstone.

Lastly, I remember watching One Step Beyond, a show similar to tThe Twilight Zone only purported to be real. In one episode, they had a woman trapped in her house during a tsunami alert. She cries for help but can't get any. Later, a deaf retired Navy officer drives by hears her call and rescues her and she rescues him telling him about the tsunami alert. They actually had the woman appear at the end of the show.
The ideas were fantastic, it was all about the writing/plot and not so much about the actors and close to zero special effects. Mini plays really.
How many had sinister plot twists right at the end? Just very clever story creation at the end of the day.
 
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Yes, I’ve heard Rod Sterling witnessed one particular traumatic event in service during the WW2 in the Philippines when a loaded freight pallet dropped on his friend killing him instantly.

https://www.grunge.com/315846/how-r...ii-military-service-fueled-the-twilight-zone/

it shaped his view of life and death and later his writing and story telling.

oh yeah, I really liked Mr Whipple’s factory with Robby something that echoing again today with our AI chat craze taking jobs.
 
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Wow, some excellent episodes I have not seen, thks. Previous post about mini plays is right on, I think.

Interesting about that traumatic event shaping Sterling's outlook on life after that. Makes me think of that episode of a war zone when the soldier saw the others' faces go white, and he knew they would die next, and then he saw his own face in the mirror go all white too at the end.

A lot of actors started out careers in the Twilight Zone too, I think. One of my favorites is Captain Kirk himself as a mental patient on an airplane trip, having just gotten out of the hospital, going home, and that gremlin is out there on the wing!
 
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difalcojr said:
Wow, some excellent episodes I have not seen, thks. Previous post about mini plays is right on, I think.

Interesting about that traumatic event shaping Sterling's outlook on life after that. Makes me think of that episode of a war zone when the soldier saw the others' faces go white, and he knew they would die next, and then he saw his own face in the mirror go all white too at the end.

A lot of actors started out careers in the Twilight Zone too, I think. One of my favorites is Captain Kirk himself as a mental patient on an airplane trip, having just gotten out of the hospital, going home, and that gremlin is out there on the wing!
Yes I remember that one. I suggest you get the whole series from 1959 and see how it evolves.
Check out the actors who crop up. A "before they were famous," aspect to it.
 
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difalcojr said:
Wow, some excellent episodes I have not seen, thks. Previous post about mini plays is right on, I think.

Interesting about that traumatic event shaping Sterling's outlook on life after that. Makes me think of that episode of a war zone when the soldier saw the others' faces go white, and he knew they would die next, and then he saw his own face in the mirror go all white too at the end.

A lot of actors started out careers in the Twilight Zone too, I think. One of my favorites is Captain Kirk himself as a mental patient on an airplane trip, having just gotten out of the hospital, going home, and that gremlin is out there on the wing!
As a genre? This was on its own. Short story, play. "Tales from the unexpected" in the 70s UK had influence here.
 
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difalcojr said:
... the one that really scared the hell out of me as a kid was the original Invasion of the Body
I hear that. Same for me.
 
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difalcojr said:
This model diagram is possible when index0/index1=index1/index2=radius2/radius1 for the model's variables. 30 degree wave into a sphere. Reminded me of something out of that old science fiction movie, The Day the Earth Stood Still.
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Reminded you of ??

(Also, Klaatu was a really great band. Unless you're a die-hard fan, you might only know "Calling Occupants.")
 
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pinball1970 said:
The ideas were fantastic, it was all about the writing/plot and not so much about the actors and close to zero special effects. Mini plays really.
How many had sinister plot twists right at the end? Just very clever story creation at the end of the day.
Agreed. And Rod Sterling with his low, serious voice and cigarette in hand, calmly assuring us that sometimes things are just not the way they're supposed to be.

I just read Ray Bradbury's "Martian Chronicles". Very enjoyable. It too had a nice, unexpected twist at the end.
 
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difalcojr said:
Rod Sterling
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Yes, Rod Sterling, the host and science fiction writer. The Twilight Zone was on TV right after Captain Satellite.
 
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difalcojr said:
Yes, Rod Sterling, the host and science fiction writer.
Rod Serling. (No "t" in his name!)
 
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renormalize said:
Rod Serling. (No "t" in his name!)
Wow, I had it wrong all these years! Thks.
 
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pinball1970 said:
If you watch the twilight zone from 1959 there are lots of plots that crop up in films decades later. Great series.
A good number of the show's episodes were lifted from the pages of the SF pulps: A couple of examples are : It's a Good Life (Jerome Bixby , 1953), and What You Need ( Henry Kuttner & C. L. Moore*, 1945)

* A husband and wife writing team. They both also wrote solo works, and Moore used the "C. L." in place of Catherine Lucille( along with the pen-name Lewis Padgett) to keep her gender secret.
 
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Jerome Bixby also wrote some Star Trek episodes including the one about a man who lived forever on Earth but when moved to a different planet started to age naturally: Requiem for Methuselah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Requiem_for_Methuselah

Later, Jerome did another story of a 14,000 year old college prof called Man from Earth. It was sci-fi without sci-fi props. He wrote a few days before his death dictating it to his son Emerson Bixby who got it with the help of director Richard Schenkman on a budget of $200k.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_from_Earth
 
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Not sure if this has been posted and answered before in a previous thread sometime in the past, but would you or anyone else like to list a couple of your most favorite SF books? Or even short stories? Your favorite two amongst, I'm sure, hundreds or even many more for some in this audience? Old or new.
I'd like to get a good list of SF books to read for now and in the future.
 
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Janus said:
A good number of the show's episodes were lifted from the pages of the SF pulps: A couple of examples are : It's a Good Life (Jerome Bixby , 1953), and What You Need ( Henry Kuttner & C. L. Moore*, 1945)

* A husband and wife writing team. They both also wrote solo works, and Moore used the "C. L." in place of Catherine Lucille( along with the pen-name Lewis Padgett) to keep her gender secret.
I found It's a Good Life in a pocketbook online called "Mirror Mirror". Cannot find Padgett's What You Need. Do you know an available pocketbook that has that story in it?
 
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difalcojr said:
Not sure if this has been posted and answered before in a previous thread sometime in the past, but would you or anyone else like to list a couple of your most favorite SF books? Or even short stories? Your favorite two amongst, I'm sure, hundreds or even many more for some in this audience? Old or new.
I'd like to get a good list of SF books to read for now and in the future.
Lots of threads in pf if do a search. "Sci fi books" in Titles only gave me lots of hits/lists
 
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pinball1970 said:
Lots of threads in pf if do a search. "Sci fi books" in Titles only gave me lots of hits/lists
Yes, of course, lots of lists and favorites and opinions are available. My thinking was just that this Physics Forum would get favorites from physicists and scientists themselves in the viewer audience. With their unique perspectives. Outside of the general population.
 
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pinball1970 said:
Lots of threads in pf if do a search. "Sci fi books" in Titles only gave me lots of hits/lists
Also, I thought that two absolute favorites is a good and small number for a limit. Because maybe you could choose your favorite even if it was everybody else's favorite too. And then your second choice might be a unique one to your own perspective and insights, maybe something others were not aware of. That was my reason for requesting to list just two. That and space.
 
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difalcojr said:
Yes, of course, lots of lists and favorites and opinions are available. My thinking was just that this Physics Forum would get favorites from physicists and scientists themselves in the viewer audience. With their unique perspectives. Outside of the general population.
Yes there is a search function within physics forums. Magnifying glass top right.
 
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Oh, sorry again, another blunder. Another Rod "Sterling" moment! I thought you meant online in your previous message. I'll check it out here and just shut up for now and quit looking like an idiot. Thanks. And thks for all that Twilight Zone information. 1959. That's about when I had seen those two favorite SF movies, Invaders from Mars and Invasion of the Body Snatchers. On TV. And Twilight Zone episodes every week. What a great time for SF that was. I was 8.
 
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difalcojr said:
I found It's a Good Life in a pocketbook online called "Mirror Mirror". Cannot find Padgett's What You Need. Do you know an available pocketbook that has that story in it?
If you get find a copy of Isaac Asimov Presents the Great SF Stories 7 (1945) It's included in this anthology.
This is part of a series of 25 volumes covering SF stories written starting in 1939 and ending with 1963, edited by Asimov and Martin H. Greenberg. The introduction of each volume touches on both world events of the year and notable events in the realm of SF.
 
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difalcojr said:
Oh, sorry again, another blunder. Another Rod "Sterling" moment! I thought you meant online in your previous message. I'll check it out here and just shut up for now and quit looking like an idiot. Thanks. And thks for all that Twilight Zone information. 1959. That's about when I had seen those two favorite SF movies, Invaders from Mars and Invasion of the Body Snatchers. On TV. And Twilight Zone episodes every week. What a great time for SF that was. I was 8.
No no problems, I thought it was Sterling too btw, all these years.

Lots of guys into sci fi books on here (not my thing to be honest)
I am lazy, the films are ok.
You should get lots of pointers.
 
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Thanks. Not sure then now, how or when the posts in these forums are supposed to wrap up, when to end?

Lots of good knowledge has been given out freely to me, thank you all, from what evolved out of a model lens diagram that had just reminded me of that old 1951 movie, The Day the Earth Stood Still. Turned out to be the head of Klaatu, the giant robot.

That movie was science fiction, but the similar model of Klaatu's bust is not fiction and can exist. It's over in the family photo of the Spherics family in the other Science Fiction forum post. FYI.
 
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difalcojr said:
Thanks. Not sure then now, how or when the posts in these forums are supposed to wrap up, when to end?

Lots of good knowledge has been given out freely to me, thank you all, from what evolved out of a model lens diagram that had just reminded me of that old 1951 movie, The Day the Earth Stood Still. Turned out to be the head of Klaatu, the giant robot.

That movie was science fiction, but the similar model of Klaatu's bust is not fiction and can exist. It's over in the family photo of the Spherics family in the other Science Fiction forum post. FYI.
Good stuff.

Threads can run their course and get closed by mods. Or people can continue to want to contribute they can stay open, mods call.
 
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The Andromeda Strain, although a little silly (I think the proper term is "zeerusted") is still one of my favorites.

EDIT:
Just noticed that Daniel H. Wilson ( The author of Robopocalypse) wrote a sequel 50 years after the original. I'm a big fan of Daniel H. Wilson so I'm for sure gonna give that one a try.
 
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When I was maybe ten I saw on television a movie about enormous ants taking over the world. Scared the hell out of me. It might have been called Them.
 
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Hornbein said:
When I was maybe ten I saw on television a movie about enormous ants taking over the world. Scared the hell out of me. It might have been called Them.
Yeah. Scared me too. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Them!
 
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Big bugs are pretty scary, glad I missed that one.
Just read "Farewell to the Master" by Harry Bates. As good as the movie, different, probably better, great ending. I had Klaatu and Gnut mixed up.
Also, read Jerome Bixby's "It's a Good Life." Scariest short story I've ever read!
 
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Hornbein said:
When I was maybe ten I saw on television a movie about enormous ants taking over the world. Scared the hell out of me. It might have been called Them.
That might have been the first sci-fi film I ever saw.

"How did he die, doc?"

"Any one of five ways. His skull was fractured, his chest was crushed, his neck and back were broken, and he had enough formic acid in him to kill 20 men!"
 
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The remake of the original was pretty good too (The day the Earth stood still) John Cleese was the main scientist!
 
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pinball1970 said:
The remake of the original was pretty good too (The day the Earth stood still) John Cleese was the main scientist!
I had an odd discussion about this film in another forum. I observed that what the alien does at the end of the film would have killed most of humanity by making food production and distribution impossible. In other words, the writers didn't understand the consequences of the alien's "kindness". . Another member replied that he thought that this proved that all real-world environmentalism was bunk. I tried to explain to him that climate scientists and film writers are not the same people, and he just wasn't buying it.
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The blackboard scene with John Cleese was awesome though.
 
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The Andromeda Strain, although a little silly (I think the proper term is "zeerusted") is still one of my favorites.
Never heard the term zeerusted before. Is it synonymous with retro-futuristic? Or are they similar-yet-distinct?

Sounds like retro-future is intentionally-dated (like Brazil) - or at least self-aware - whereas zeerust is unintentionally dated.
 
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would have killed most of humanity by making food production and distribution impossible. In other words, the writers didn't understand the consequences of the alien's "kindness". .
Depending on how specific the term 'electronics', we* managed up until the middle of the 20th century. Even if a broad term, we** managed up until the middle of the 19th century.

*~2.5 billion of us
**~1.2 billion of us

They did say there would be a "cost"; and it would take a while to reach a new equilibrium.

It's a matter of the rate of die-off from starvation versus not having to completely re-invent the agricultural and distributional wheel. (As just one example, we still have the vast network of roads covering every square kilometre, and sea routes, including Panama and Suez Canals.)
 
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When the population of Earth was 1.2 billion, probably more then 1 billion of them had practical real world experience in farming without electricity, electric water pumps, or chemical fertilizers. A similar number of people knew how to manage and care for horses, and had access to them.

Communication back then was based on an efficiently designed mail system that had evolved with centuries of experience. If you delivered mail, you understood horses and wagons well. In the alien's blackout, it would take years for some places to learn why the lights had gone out, and who, if anyone, was still president.

The roads would work for walking and bicycles, but canals would need electricity to open and close their gates, and to coordinate. And all of them would be clogged with beached and unpowerable ships, aka Evergiven.

And of course within days, the cities would all be on fire from everyone lighting candles and trying to heat skyscrapers with improvised wood burning stoves. (Since the flashlights, emergency lighting and radios don't work, this is much worse than a blackout.)

And of course, everything above assumes that everyone is acting rationally to solve the problems and re-establish a new working economy. As opposed to Mad Max larping, which is what more people think they know how to do.

Humanity would survive, but the die off would be apocalyptic, with perhaps 100 million people left alive before things stabilize and the population begins to recover. That population would be quite unequally distributed, with the least developed cultures fairing best.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Never heard the term zeerusted before. Is it synonymous with retro-futuristic? Or are they similar-yet-distinct?

Sounds like retro-future is intentionally-dated (like Brazil) - or at least self-aware - whereas zeerust is unintentionally dated.
Retro-futuristic is very apt. And yes, unintentionally.

TV-tropes on "zeerust".
 
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sbrothy said:
Thanks. (he said facetiously). :mad:

TV Tropes is my Achilles Heel.
So there's two hours I wasn't doing anything useful...
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Thanks. (he said facetiously). :mad:

TV Tropes is my Achilles Heel.
So there's two hours I wasn't doing anything useful...
yeh. A tvtropes walk can be more insidious than a wiki ditto, but the time spent is much the same. :)
 
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Playing Scrabble you'd know that the most frequent letters are A, I, N, T.

Thus, good starting points are words like SAINT, AUDIO, AUREI etc....

Exclude as many vowels as possible for staters.
 
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So, in the original 1940 Harry Bates short story, the robot was the same height as in the movie, but in an exact anatomical shape of a human being, muscular. Made of the same green metal as the spaceship. Impenetrable.

Is this a physics/metallurgy/materials sci. question of what would be the color of a theoretical, impenetrable solid such as an alien robot and spaceship?

Or would such a metal have a distinctive color at all? Is this theoretically known?

Or is this just very good science fiction writing?
 

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