Can Mathematical Models Explain Scenes from The Day the Earth Stood Still?

[mpresic3]

Not long after the plaque become publically known, a cartoonist made a cartoon of a man-like person from Jupiter talking to a woman-like person from Jupiter, both of them impeccably dressed and the Jupiter man says, "See the Earthmen are just like us, only they don't wear clothes.

 

[pinball1970]

Here's the explanation from online. Explanatory. Pulsar map is pretty amazing.

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It's a work of art is it not? A nice combination of very significant information and aesthetics.
IMO.

 

[difalcojr]

Agreed. Looked for the funny cartoon online too but couldn't find it. Did find this article about alternate plaque depictions from the LA Times at that time. And Jack Kirby's plaque depiction. Also a work of art.

https://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/effect/2009/08/28/the-mystery-of-the-two-pioneer-plaques/

 

[Janus]

There was also the Arecibo Message:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_message#Arecibo_Answer

Traveling at the speed of light, it has gotten much further than either the Pioneer or Voyager probes. However, seeing as it was aimed at M13, we shouldn't expect an answer back for 50,000 years (give or take a few decades)

 

[gmax137]

There was also the Arecibo Message

Thanks, I do not remember hearing about this. Reading the Wiki description of the message, all I can say is that anyone able to translate/understand the message would likely be considered by the other M31 denizens a crackpot numerologist.

 

[difalcojr]

No, I did not remember, either. Agree with your conjecture.
The Arecibo message is interesting. By Drake again in '74.
https://web.archive.org/web/2008080...ll.edu/releases/Nov99/Arecibo.message.ws.html
Seems silly to me now, though. Aliens had been known to be around long before then, studying us, and probably already knew all that stuff. From the disappearances, abductions and cow murders they're responsible for. The huge radar transmitter seemed the most interesting thing in Arecibo.

And the nutty Arecibo Answer crop circle in 2001.Actually, I did not even know if crop circles were real or fake, but this link shows the excellent UFOoolery by a couple of very clever and talented Englishmen. https://www.livescience.com/26540-crop-circles.html

Here's the Arecibo Answer crop field scene compared to the digital representation:

and a better diagram of the Arecibo message:

"You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time." P.T. Barnum

 

[difalcojr]

This is what was sent with the Pioneer 10 &11 probes launched in 1972-73. Voyager 1 & 2 were launched in 1977

A summary of the messages sent to space, written of, so far. From initial plaque shown by pinball1970.

1972-Pioneer10. 1973-Pioneer11. Both with the first au natural plaque. Then
1974-Arecibo message. Odd music signal from radar transmitter with the message frequency-encoded, I think.
1977-Voyager1 and Voyager2. Now music put on golden record with encrypted instructions on how to play.

Book "Murmurs of Earth" about the Voyager record and other items is available, used, online, 1978 softcover, under $10. Good books hold their value. On order now; you got me curious.

As far as Pioneer10 goes. According to my calculations, and using pinball1970's post#73 diagram above for its trajectory, and using the space scale of this forum page, I have the current location of Pioneer10 as up two posts and very close to the Beast from 20,000 fathoms!

 

[difalcojr]

What are you planning to use it for? spaceship? some kind of weapon?

I did not say before, but I think it is OK now to do so. It is still a science fiction model only.
Never seen before, never made, not in textbooks.

No, not a spaceship, nor was I thinking of a weapon, although the first diagram did remind me of Gort.
The model is an optically "perfect" magnification lens, so it could be weaponized, probably. Hopefully, humans will heed the message soon of Klaatu and Master Gort to stop fighting and killing each other.

It is a very simple model and could have many possibilities as a projection lens. Here's one I was thinking of.
A telescope.

 

[difalcojr]

There was also the Arecibo Message:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_message#Arecibo_Answer

Traveling at the speed of light, it has gotten much further than either the Pioneer or Voyager probes. However, seeing as it was aimed at M13, we shouldn't expect an answer back for 50,000 years (give or take a few decades)

And the LAGEOS plaque in 1974 too. Attached to the LAser GEOdynamic Satellite. Of spherical brass set at a very high, stable orbit. Measuring continental drift for the next 8 million years before its decay date! At about an inch of continental drift per century! An inch! How can they measure that?! Plaque shows continents 8 million years ago, today, and 8 million years hence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAGEOS#Time_capsule

 

[renormalize]

Plaque shows continents 8 million years ago, today, and 8 million years hence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAGEOS#Time_capsule

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Correction: top map shows continents 268 million years ago.

 

[difalcojr]

Thanks.

 

[difalcojr]

The Voyager Record mounted in its aluminum cover. Evolution of the 9"x12" inscribed Pioneer Plaque.
Now about 5 years later, 1977, it's a 12", gold-plated, copper, phonograph record, recorded at 16 and 2/3 rpm. A double album, in effect, on one disk. About 108 minutes worth or sounds and music and photographs. Similar encrypted cover messages again as explained in a previous post. Also, a cartridge and stylus were included. The record was a "mother" record. Grooves out, I think.

First-ever photograph of moon and earth together taken by Voyager1 !!

 

[difalcojr]

Voyagers' LP Record. From "Murmurs of the Earth", 1978, by Sagan, Drake, Druyan, Ferris, Lomberg, and Sagan. Part 2. Written messages, names, pictures. Lots of trivia. Some things included were:

a short note by Sec. Gen. of U.N., Kurt Waldheim. Longer note from U.S. Pres., Jimmy Carter, with notable ending:
"We hope someday, having solved the problems we face, to join a community of galactic civilizations. This record represents our hope and our determination, and our good will in a vast and awesome universe."

a list of offices and names of 80 U.S. Senators and House Reps (those on NASA appropriations and activities committees).

118 photos, 20 in color. Pulsar map again, math, unit definitions, sun and solar system, biology, anatomy, DNA, lots of human family photos, etc. Like a walk through years of Nat'l Geographic magazines. 3 photos of humans with dogs. Boats, trains, planes, highways, factories, etc, etc, etc. Golden Gate Bridge. No pyramids.
No war, crime, disease, poverty, religion, art, sex, or swearing were allowed on the record, either. The proposed new human male and female, holding hands and pregnant, a modest, nude photo, on p.74, was rejected by NASA. Its exact shape was sent, anyway, in silhouette, and with a model fetus shown.
At least now they were holding hands.

 

[difalcojr]

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[pinball1970]

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There is something simplistically kind of wonderful and also disturbing about that image.

We are Just another species, an animal on this planet reproducing then dying but at its basic level should we be really asking for more than that?

Given the gargantuan odds that we are here at all?

Putting my hippy hat on, we could learn a lot from that image, if we can be the best we can be, that is human part we should be happy to showcase to another civilization.

 

[difalcojr]

Agreed. Disturbing also was that the silhouette was encoded, instead of the modest, naked couple and soon-to-be baby photograph, seen on page 74 of the book. It wasn't porn at all, a much better representative picture of humans. Probably can't post that. Get the book, it's good. NOT the record! Don't get the record.

Good enough for the birds, bees, ants and animals, good enough for us. Sure.

Flip the gargantuan odds we are here at all, to its inverse. That makes it gargantuan odds that we are exactly here and now. Because indeed we are! Found my hippy hat too, haha.

So, here's an add-on to the ma-pa-baby topic. One I was thinking of putting today in a music thread, but it fits OK here. Jorma Kaukonen, guitar, in the dark sunglasses. I know a woman who taped this over and over onto a portable cassette player, so she could listen to it over and over and over, she liked it that much. She also saw a UFO up close, too close, one late night on a lonesome highway.

 

[pinball1970]

Agreed. Disturbing also was that the silhouette was encoded, instead of the modest, naked couple and soon-to-be baby photograph, seen on page 74 of the book. It wasn't porn at all, a much better representative picture of humans. Probably can't post that. Get the book, it's good. NOT the record! Don't get the record.

Good enough for the birds, bees, ants and animals, good enough for us. Sure.

Flip the gargantuan odds we are here at all, to its inverse. That makes it gargantuan odds that we are exactly here and now. Because indeed we are! Found my hippy hat too, haha.

So, here's an add-on to the ma-pa-baby topic. One I was thinking of putting today in a music thread, but it fits OK here. Jorma Kaukonen, guitar, in the dark sunglasses. I know a woman who taped this over and over onto a portable cassette player, so she could listen to it over and over and over, she liked it that much. She also saw a UFO up close, too close, one late night on a lonesome highway.

Brings us full circle. The whole point of TDTESS was mankind better sort itself out or we (the superior aliens) will zap you out.

 

[gmax137]

Jorma Kaukonen, guitar, in the dark sunglasses. I know a woman who taped this over and over onto a portable cassette player, so she could listen to it over and over and over, she liked it that much.

Embryonic Journey, one of my all time favorites.

 

[pinball1970]

Embryonic Journey, one of my all time favorites.

Amazing playing, I did not know they were players at all.

 

[gmax137]

YouTube showed me this one after the Airplane version. Amazing!


By Peter Green. No, not that Peter Green.

 

[pinball1970]

YouTube showed me this one after the Airplane version. Amazing!


By Peter Green. No, not that Peter Green.

D tuning? Edit or just down tuned bottom E. Beautiful claw hammer though.
Edit 2. Wow, amazing.

 

[difalcojr]

Voyagers' LP Record. From "Murmurs of the Earth", 1978, by Sagan, Drake, Druyan, Ferris, Lomberg, and Sagan. Part 3a. Sounds. The Greetings. Waldheim and Carter had their messages both encoded and spoken.

By my count 51 greetings in human languages spoken in 1977. Of the 196 known languages listed. Representing more than 87% of the world in those 51 chosen. Recorded in 2 sessions at Cornell.

Of note were these orators:
Frederick M. Ahl: spoke greetings in Greek, Latin, and Welsh.
David I. Owen: spoke in Sumerian, Akkadian, and Hittite. Also, in Hebrew and Aramaic, Shalom and Shalam.
Nick Sagan: "Hello from the children of planet Earth."
The long whale greeting.

Otherwise, the greetings were pretty standard stuff. A few odd ones:
Burmese: "Are you well?"
Indonesian: "Goodnight ladies and gentlemen. Goodbye and see you next time."
and the Urdu beginning: "Peace on you." Am sure the aliens understood all of this. Sure.

 

[difalcojr]

Amazing playing, I did not know they were players at all.

Here's another one by Jorma Kaukonen you might like too from his album. Yes, he was considered great by the other musicians, I think. "Midnight in Milpitas." Milpitas is a city south of San Francisco, at the geographic bottom of the Bay, now home to the football 49ers stadium.

 

[difalcojr]

Voyagers' LP Record. From "Murmurs of the Earth", 1978, by Sagan, Drake, Druyan, Ferris, Lomberg, and Sagan. Part 3b. Sounds. Music. 1977. Here's a list of the 27 songs sent 'up, up, and away' on the golden record voyage.

1. Germany, Bach, Brandenburg Concerto No.2 in F, First Movement, Munich Bach Orchestra, Karl Richter, conductor.
2. Java, court gamelan, "Kinds of Flowers".
3. Senegal, percussion.
4. Zaire, Pygmy girls' initiation song.
5. Australia, Aborigine songs, "Morning Star" and "Devil Bird".
6. Mexico, Lorenzo Barcelata and the Mariachi Mexico, "El Cascabel".
7. U.S., Chuck Berry, "Johnny B. Goode".
8. New Guinea, men's house song.
9. Japan, shakuhachi, Coro Yamaguchi, "Cranes in Their Nest".
10. Germany, Bach, Arthur Grumiaux, Partita No.3 in E major for violin, "Gavotte en rondeaux".
11. Austria, Mozart, Edda Moser, soprano, Queen of the Night aria No.14, from The Magic Flute, Bavarian State Opera, Wolfgang Saivallish, conductor.
12. Georgia S.S.R., chorus, "Tchakrulo", Radio Moscow.
13. Peru, panpipes and drum, collected by Casa de la Cultura, Lima.
14. U.S., Louis Armstrong and his Hot Seven, "Melancholy Blues".
15. Azerbaijan S.S.R., bagpipes, Radio Moscow.
16. U.S.S.R., Stravinsky, Rite of Spring, Sacrificial Dance, Columbia Symphony Orch., Igor Stravinsky, cond.
17. Germany, Bach, Prelude and Fugue in C, No.1, from The Well-Tempered Clavier, Bk 2, Glenn Gould, Piano.
18. Germany, Beethoven, Fifth Symphony, First Movement, Philharmonia Orchestra, Otto Klemperer, cond.
19. Bulgaria, Valya Balkanska, "Izlel je Delyo Hagdutin".
20 U.S., Navajo, "Night Chant".
21. England, Holborne, "Paueans,, Galliards, Almains and Other Short Aeirs", from The Fairie Round, David Munrow and the Early Music Consort of London.
22. Solomon Islands, panpipes.
23. Peru, wedding song.
24. China, ch'in, Kuan P'ing-hu, "Flowing Streams".
25. India, raga, Surshri Kesar Bai Kerkar, "Jaat Kahan Ho".
26. U.S., Blind Willie Johnson, "Dark was the Night".
27. Germany, Beethoven, String Quartet No.13 in B flat, Opus 130, Cavatina, performed by Budapest String Quartet.

All are available online now to listen to, so you won't have to buy an expensive record or a cheaper CD if you don't want to. You be the judge whether you will need to add this "gem" to your collection. Or not.
Good luck.

Book is worth a read. Lots of trivial, interesting info. Might be useful for a Jeopardy show or a cocktail party.

 

[difalcojr]

 

[difalcojr]

Voyagers' LP Record. From "Murmurs of the Earth", 1978, by Sagan, Drake, Druyan, Ferris, Lomberg, and Sagan. Part 4a1. Miscellaneous.

Voyager's launch in 1977 was the year of the 100th anniversary of Thomas Edison's invention of the phonograph record.

1977 was also the year that Peter Goldmark, the inventor of the long-playing record, the LP, died tragically in an auto accident.

Sagan had asked SF writers Asimov, Clarke, and Heinlein what message they would send on the mission. Asimov's answer isn't given, but it is interesting to note the contrast in messages suggested by Clarke and Heinlein. I think the contrast is seen in their SF classic novels too.

Clarke, in a telephone message from Sri Lanka, recommended this message, "Please leave me alone, let me go on to the stars." In his novel "2001" this did not happen for the members of that mission.

Heinlein proposed a radar corner reflector be attached so the record could be found easier. That follows his writings on full contact with aliens. As in "Stranger in a Strange Land" and other novels.

B.M. Oliver, VP of R&D at Hewlett-Packard said this, "There is only an infinitesimal chance that the plaque will ever be seen by a single extraterrestrial, but it will certainly be seen by billions of terrestrials. Its real function, therefore, is to appeal to and expand the human spirit, and to make contact with extraterrestrial intelligence a welcome expectation of mankind."

Hope so. Don't think billions saw or even ever heard of the plaque, book, or record yet. I hadn't. Billions might have seen HP products, though. Maybe now billions will be online on the internet and on PF, reading an online book report on the ever-ongoing Voyager II mission.

 

[difalcojr]

Voyagers' LP Record. From "Murmurs of the Earth", 1978, by Sagan, Drake, Druyan, Ferris, Lomberg, and Sagan. Part 3c. Sounds. Last thoughts on sounds and music.

There was no translation given for the longest message on the record, that of the whale. What's with that?

Think the best choice for R&R music was @gmax137 in an earlier post: "I wanted them to put the Stones, "2,000 Light Years From Home". (Very slightly edited here.) But he said they weren't listening to him, sadly.

Sagan et al wanted Beatles "Here Comes the Sun". Beatles agreed, but then copyright complications ensued.

Not sure if any others were asked: Byrds' "Mr. Spaceman"; 5th Dimension, "Up, Up, and Away"; Steve Miller Band, "Space Cowboy".
My pick now would have been Bobby Darin, "Multiplication" as a proper message from the human race.

 

[Hornbein]

Here's another one by Jorma Kaukonen you might like too from his album. Yes, he was considered great by the other musicians, I think. "Midnight in Milpitas." Milpitas is a city south of San Francisco, at the geographic bottom of the Bay, now home to the football 49ers stadium.

Milpitas is just north of San Jose, about an hour's drive from San Francisco.

 

[difalcojr]

Yes, Indeed. And San Jose, home of Dionne Warwick. Also, birthplace of SF hero Amadeo Peter (A.P.) Giannini, banker, born 1870.