Can Ocean Waves Really Travel That Fast?

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The discussion centers on the observation of ocean waves traveling past a 51m long ship in under 3 seconds, raising questions about the validity of such claims. Participants emphasize the importance of understanding group velocity and phase speed of waves to analyze the situation accurately. The formula for calculating the velocity of deep water waves based on wavelength is crucial, as it reveals that waves travel at a consistent speed relative to a fixed point, not an observer in motion. The conversation concludes that the ship's speed must be considered to fully interpret the wave observation.

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  • Understanding of group velocity and phase speed of waves
  • Knowledge of deep water wave dynamics
  • Familiarity with wave velocity formulas
  • Basic principles of relative motion in physics
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  • Study the formula for calculating deep water wave velocity based on wavelength
  • Research the concepts of group velocity and phase speed in wave mechanics
  • Explore the effects of vessel speed on wave observation
  • Investigate real-world examples of wave behavior in oceanography
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Marine scientists, oceanographers, physics students, and anyone interested in understanding wave dynamics and their implications in maritime contexts.

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A former sea captain recounts a stormy night in Atlantic when he observed waves with wavelengths of a few metres passing his 51m long ship in less than 3s. Should you believe him?

How do we go about answering this question? I have no idea where to start from, well, we learned about group velocity and phase speed of waves, but I don't know how to use them to answer the question?
 
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Think about the vessel heading into the wave. If the vessel had some speed on it, would the observation about the waves make sense?
 
hm.. i think its possible? because waves can travel at a speed of 1m/s (assuming wavelength is 3m and period=3s?)

is tat the way to support the answer though? it seems too simple
 
Don't you know a formula for calculating the velocity of a deep water wave given the wavelength? Remember, deep water waves of a given wavelength all travel at a certain velocity relative to a fixed reference point. An observer on a vessel is not necessarily fixed in position relative to the wave motion.
 

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