Can Positive Integers Prove These Division Properties?

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The discussion revolves around proving properties of divisibility involving positive integers, specifically focusing on the implications of the statements a|b and c|d leading to ac|bd, as well as the equivalence a|b <=> ac|bc.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of the divisibility statements and attempt to manipulate the expressions to show the relationships between them. There are discussions about the correct interpretation of the symbols used, particularly regarding the meaning of a|b and its implications.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes attempts to clarify misunderstandings about the notation and the logical structure of the proofs. Some participants provide alternative perspectives on the statements, while others question the validity of certain steps taken in the reasoning.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing debate about the correct interpretation of divisibility notation and its implications for the proofs being discussed. Participants express confusion over the equivalence of certain expressions and the proper use of mathematical symbols.

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Homework Statement


If a, b < c, and d are positive integers, prove the following inferences.

1. a|b [itex]\wedge[/itex] c|d [itex]\rightarrow[/itex] ac|bd
2. a|b <=> ac|bc


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The Attempt at a Solution



1.

a|b = x, then b = ax

c|d = y, then d = cy

bd = axcy

thus ac|bd = ac|axcy, and ac|axcy = xy

therefore ac|bd = xy if a|b = x and c|d = y

2.

c|ac = a and c|bc = b

so c|(ac|bc) = a|b
 
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Cyborg31 said:

Homework Statement


If a, b < c, and d are positive integers, prove the following inferences.

1. a|b [itex]\wedge[/itex] c|d [itex]\rightarrow[/itex] ac|bd
2. a|b <=> ac|bc


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



1.

a|b = x, then b = ax

c|d = y, then d = cy
Yes, and these are the "relevant equations" above

bd = axcy

thus ac|bd = ac|axcy, and ac|axcy = xy
I think it is simpler and clearer to write "bd= (ac)(xy) so ac|bd".

therefore ac|bd = xy if a|b = x and c|d = y

2.

c|ac = a and c|bc = b
This makes no sense "c|ac" is the statement "c divides ac" and is not equal to anything. You mean to say ac/c= a and bc/b= b.

so c|(ac|bc) = a|b
You want to prove "a|b <=> ac|bc. That's and "if and only if" statement and must be proved both ways:

1) if a|b then b= ax for some x. bc= axc ...

2) if ac|bc then bc= acy for some y...
 
This makes no sense "c|ac" is the statement "c divides ac" and is not equal to anything. You mean to say ac/c= a and bc/b= b.

I know, that's what I meant "c divides ac". a|b = b/a right? Doesn't it follow that c|ac = ac/c?
 
No, the collection of symbols a|b means "b is a multiple of a, or equivalently, a divides b without remainder". The symbols b/a represent a (rational in this case) number.
 
For a|b <=> ac|bc

a|b = x
ac|bc = y

b = ax
bc = acy

bc/c = acy/c => b = ay

If b = ax and b = ay then x = y

a|b = x <=> a|b = y therefore a|b <=> ac|bc

Is this correct?

<=> is equivalence, not <->.
 
Please stop using the symbol a|b to mean the same as b/a. They are different.
 
Uh ok... what's wrong with what I did? I did c|ac = a, before and that apparently that's wrong so I used bc/c = b, this time. How else do I cancel out the c?

Should it be c|bc = c|acy => b = ay ?

Is my solution correct or wrong?
 
A vertical bar means "http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Divides.html" ." matt grime is just making a point about semantics and the use of symbols.

It's not the same as the "fraction bar."
 
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