Can Someone Explain How Nuclear Fuel Rods Heat Water in a Reactor?

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The discussion centers on the mechanisms by which nuclear fuel rods heat water in a reactor, focusing on the processes involved in fission and energy transfer. Participants explore the roles of kinetic energy from fission products, gamma and beta radiation, and the interaction between fuel, cladding, and coolant.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the kinetic energy of neutrons from fission events primarily heats the water, while others suggest that energy is also transferred through gamma and beta particles.
  • It is noted that the fuel rods heat up due to the thermal energy deposited from fission reactions, which is conducted through the cladding into the coolant.
  • Some contributions indicate that a significant portion of the energy from fission is due to kinetic energy of fission products, with additional energy from fission product decay and gamma radiation.
  • There is a discussion about the source of energy released during fission, with some participants asserting it is due to binding energy and mass deficit, while others clarify that the fission products are more tightly bound, resulting in energy release.
  • Participants engage in a clarification about the relationship between mass and energy, specifically referencing E=mc² and discussing the implications of binding energy in the context of fission.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the mechanisms of energy transfer in the reactor and the nature of energy release during fission. The discussion remains unresolved on some technical aspects, particularly concerning the relationship between mass, binding energy, and energy release.

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Some claims depend on specific definitions of energy transfer mechanisms and the roles of various particles in the fission process. There are unresolved questions regarding the exact contributions of different forms of energy to the heating of water.

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Hi,

I haven't studied much nuclear physics and would be very grateful if someone could answer a few basic questions I had about fission in the fuel rods on how the water is actually heated in the reactor core:

1) I don't know if I have this correct but is it that the way the water is heated in a reactor is that the kinetic energy of the neutrons released from a fission event are transferred to the water molecules (obviously the ones that don't go on to cause more fissions). Is this mainly how the water is heated or are there other energy transfers e.g. energy transferred by gamma/beta particles that also come out of the fission events?

2) Wiki says that the fuel is surrounded by zirconium cladding. I take it that this means if the above is correct then the neutrons will pass through the cladding without being absorbed (otherwise they couldn't interact with the water molecules)? Or does the water heat up because the fission particles collide with the cladding making the rods very hot so the water is heated like a filament in a kettle type effect?

Thanks for any insight offered!
 
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Some heating is as you described. But the reactor fuel itself gets very hot - from neutrons, gamma, beta, and direct impulse to the decay products. The fuel will then heat the cladding and water.
 
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The fission reactions occur in the fuel, and that is where the bulk of the thermal energy is deposited. That thermal energy is conducted from the fuel, through the cladding into the coolant. In LWRs, the cladding is a Zr-alloy. Some fraction of the heat (~2.3 to 3.5%) is generated by gamma radiation interacting with the cladding, coolant and structural alloys in the core.
 
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Most of the energy (~82%) from a fission becomes kinetic energy of the fission products, which causes the fuel to heat up. The heat in the fuel is conducted through the fuel, through the clad, and into the coolant.
Fission product decay produces an additional amount of energy (~7.3%) that is deposited directly into the fuel.

There is also additional energy produced from prompt gamma rays (~3.4%), neutron slowing down (~2.4%), and capture gamma rays (~4.9%). This energy may be deposited in other locations. The neutron slowing down energy is deposited directly in the coolant. The energy from prompt gamma rays and capture gamma rays may be deposited in the fuel or other structural material.

The total amount of power from a reactor is limited by the amount of energy that can be safely removed from the fuel.
 
rpp said:
Most of the energy (~82%) from a fission becomes kinetic energy of the fission products, which causes the fuel to heat up. The heat in the fuel is conducted through the fuel, through the clad, and into the coolant.
Fission product decay produces an additional amount of energy (~7.3%) that is deposited directly into the fuel.

There is also additional energy produced from prompt gamma rays (~3.4%), neutron slowing down (~2.4%), and capture gamma rays (~4.9%). This energy may be deposited in other locations. The neutron slowing down energy is deposited directly in the coolant. The energy from prompt gamma rays and capture gamma rays may be deposited in the fuel or other structural material.

The total amount of power from a reactor is limited by the amount of energy that can be safely removed from the fuel.
Would you please comment on the root source of the energy released by fission? Is it mass deficit converting to energy? Does it follow E=mc^2?

thanks. Geo
 

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geoelectronics said:
the root source of the energy released by fission?

It's the release of energy due to an exothermic reaction. In this case the reaction is nuclear instead of chemical, but the principle is the same.

geoelectronics said:
Is it mass deficit converting to energy?

It's additional binding energy being released; the fission products are more tightly bound, so the fission process releases energy.

geoelectronics said:
Does it follow E=mc^2?

##E = mc^2## is just a unit conversion equation between mass units and energy units.
 
PeterDonis said:
It's the release of energy due to an exothermic reaction. In this case the reaction is nuclear instead of chemical, but the principle is the same.
It's additional binding energy being released; the fission products are more tightly bound, so the fission process releases energy.
##E = mc^2## is just a unit conversion equation between mass units and energy units.
Thank you.
So the tightly bound, massive nucleus undergoes fission (either induced or spontaneous SF), the nucleons are separated, thus weighing more than the did when bound (correct?) and the difference in that weight is the source of energy? So in E=mc^2 in the frame of fission, the m=mass which really just means mass-energy equivalence, is this correct?

Geo
 
geoelectronics said:
So the tightly bound, massive nucleus undergoes fission (either induced or spontaneous SF), the nucleons are separated, thus weighing more than the did when bound (correct?) and the difference in that weight is the source of energy?

No, you have it backwards. The weight of the fission products is less than the weight of the original nucleus. The fission products are more tightly bound. That's why fission releases energy. If the fission products weighed more, fission would require an input of energy; it would not release energy.
 
PeterDonis said:
No, you have it backwards. The weight of the fission products is less than the weight of the original nucleus. The fission products are more tightly bound. That's why fission releases energy. If the fission products weighed more, fission would require an input of energy; it would not release energy.
That makes sense. Thank you. If the nucleons were separated totally and not bound in another, lighter set of nuclei would those free nucleons (protons, neutrons) weigh more or less than the original massive nucleus?

Thanks
Geo
 
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geoelectronics said:
If the nucleons were separated totally and not bound in another, lighter set of nuclei would those free nucleons (protons, neutrons) weigh more or less than the original massive nucleus?

More. That's what binding energy means.
 
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More. That's what binding energy means.
Got it.
Thanks. I was truly thinking backwards, because of the missing negative sign.
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