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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the confusion regarding the use of sine and cosine in projectile motion and force problems, particularly in the context of inclined planes. Participants explore the geometric and conceptual reasoning behind these trigonometric applications in different scenarios.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the confusion between using cosine for the x-component in projectile motion and sine for the x-component in force problems on inclined planes.
  • Another participant suggests that the difference is purely geometric, depending on which angles are referenced in the problems.
  • A further contribution explains that projectile problems typically reference angles to the horizontal, while force problems reference angles to the vertical gravitational force.
  • One participant expresses a personal preference for always referencing angles from the horizontal, indicating a potential alternative approach.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the relationships in right triangles and suggests practicing with various orientations to become more comfortable with identifying sine, cosine, and tangent.
  • A later reply offers a heuristic for determining whether to use sine or cosine based on the expected size of the component, proposing that a large expected component corresponds to cosine and a small one to sine.
  • A repeated post reiterates the initial confusion and adds a light-hearted comment about the correct angle sometimes being 90° minus the marked angle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the conventions used for angles in these contexts, with some agreeing on the geometric reasoning while others prefer different approaches. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to handle these situations.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of understanding the orientation of angles and the relationships in right triangles, but do not resolve the underlying assumptions or preferences for angle referencing.

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When your dealing with the x-component in projectile motion you work with the cosine of some angle. Yet, when your working with the x-component in force you work with the sin of some angle on inclined plane. It may seem like a silly question, but it keeps confusing me on my homework problems.
 
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All that is involved is which angles are being referred to. It has nothing to do with the physics itself, only geometry.
 
With projectile problems, you are generally dealing with a slope that is referenced to the ground, which is horizontal.

With force problems, you are generally dealing with a force that is offset from (referenced to) a gravitational force, which is typically vertical.

Look at the right triangles in each problem and see where the right angle is located. That is what determines whether you use sine or cosine.
 
I never liked this convention. I always just changed my orientation to always reference all angles from the horizontal.
 
It may be confusing right now, but you really need to get used to handling this sort of thing. If you don't, it will keep confusing you in other topics that you haven't studied yet.

Make sure you are REALLY familiar with "sin = opposite / hypotenuse" etc, and practice identifying sin cos and tan in triangles with ANY orientation in a diagram.
 
When I want the cosine or the sine of some angle between vectors, but I don't want to spend time chasing down which one I need, I just ask myself, "If the angle is small, do I expect the force (or velocity, flux, torque etc.) component to be large or small?". Large [itex]\Rightarrow[/itex] cosine; small [itex]\Rightarrow[/itex] sine. Hope this helps.
 
gvcalamike said:
When your dealing with the x-component in projectile motion you work with the cosine of some angle. Yet, when your working with the x-component in force you work with the sin of some angle on inclined plane. It may seem like a silly question, but it keeps confusing me on my homework problems.

hi gvcalamike! :smile:

it's always cos of the correct angle …

but sometimes the correct angle is 90° minus the one marked on the diagram! :biggrin:

however, personally i always use exactly the method that m.e.t.a. :smile: mentions!​
 

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