Can someone explain to me what he is doing here, transformation matrices, weee

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The discussion revolves around understanding transformation matrices and the steps involved in manipulating them. Participants are examining specific calculations and the logic behind the operations performed on the matrices, particularly in the context of defining standard basis vectors.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the reasoning behind specific matrix manipulations, such as why certain operations yield particular results for the vectors i and j. Questions are raised about the steps taken to derive expressions like 3j and how they relate to the standard basis vectors.

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Some participants express confusion about the connections between different steps in the calculations and how they lead to the definitions of i and j. There is an acknowledgment of progress in understanding, but questions remain regarding the consistency of the transformations and the relationships between the derived expressions.

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Participants note that the examples in their textbook typically provide either i or j, which adds to their confusion when faced with a problem that requires deriving both from scratch. There is an emphasis on the need to manipulate the matrices to achieve the standard forms of i and j.

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Hello everyone, i posted 2 pictures, they are the same problem, just couldn't fit it.
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1227/lastscan5vx.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1681/lastscan29fm.jpg

I don't understand the majority of the steps, like hwy does he multiply
2*[1 2] - [2 1] = 3j?
also
he then says
j = 2/3[ 1 2] - 1/3[2 1] ?
this one really doesn't make sense:
i = [1 2] - 2(2/3*[1 2] - 1/3[2 1])
The examples in the book are easy and i understand then, they always had either i given to u or j given to you. like
T[ 1 0] = [2 -3] but this one doesn't give u anything so i know u have to manipulate the matrices to get the standard, i = [1 0] j = [0 1] but I'm confused on his logic behind it, can someone explain to me why he did what he did'? thanks!
 
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mr_coffee said:
Hello everyone, i posted 2 pictures, they are the same problem, just couldn't fit it.
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1227/lastscan5vx.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1681/lastscan29fm.jpg
I don't understand the majority of the steps, like hwy does he multiply
2*[1 2] - [2 1] = 3j?
He has already said that i= [1 0] and j= [0 1]. [a b]= [a 0]+ [0 b]= a[1 0]+ b[0 1]= ai+ bj. 2*[1 2]- [2 1]= [2 4]- [2 1]= [2- 2 4- 1]= [0 3] which is just another way of writing 0i+ 3j= 3j.
also
he then says
j = 2/3[ 1 2] - 1/3[2 1] ?
(2/3)[1 2]- (1/3)[2 1]= [2/3 4/3]- [2/3 1/3]= [2/3- 2/3 4/3- 1/3]=
[0 1]= 0i+ 0j
this one really doesn't make sense:
i = [1 2] - 2((2/3)[1 2]- (1/3)[2 1])
We've already established that (2/3)[1 2]- (1/3)[2 1]= [0 1] so
[1 2]- 2((2/3)[1 2]- (1/3)[2 1])= [1 2]- [0 2]= [1-0 2- 2]= [1 0] which is the same as i.
The examples in the book are easy and i understand then, they always had either i given to u or j given to you. like
T[ 1 0] = [2 -3] but this one doesn't give u anything so i know u have to manipulate the matrices to get the standard, i = [1 0] j = [0 1] but I'm confused on his logic behind it, can someone explain to me why he did what he did'? thanks!
One more time, i is just a short way of writing [1 0], j is just a short way of writing [0 1]. "ai+ bj" is a short way of writing [a b].
 
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Thank you so much Ivy, that made a lot more sense, I worked through it again and I'm stuck on this part, I understand all the steps to get to 3j; or [0 3] = 0i + 3j = 3j;
But then we go into another series of calculations to get it to [0 1] which is just j. Was the point of finding 3j first, so you could perform the following calculation?
2/3[1 2] - 1/3[2 1]? since u found 3j, u know u can get [0 1] by multplying by 1/3? so is that why u have the -1/3? And ur multpying 2/3 by [1 2] because ur trying to get a 0 on top and a 1 on the bottom right? so u get [0 1] which is ur j. Is my reasoning right? Thanks again!

I just added to this post, i think i get the top part, but this one really doesn't make sense:
he writes:
i = -1/3[1 2] + 2/3[2 1] = [1 0] yes i see that it equal i, but how does that relate to all the work we just did above to find i and j? Because we orginally wrote to find i, we had i = [1 2] - 2(2/3[1 2] - 1/3[2 1]) = [1 0] = i; but then he writes:
i = -1/3[1 2] + 2/3[2 1] which isn't what we had above?
 
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Wow, 2 hours of working through examples and i finally figured out what's going on with transformations! thanks for the help you were telling me the right way, it was just going in and my brain was like f it. :)
 

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