Can someone please check this proof involving permutations and cycles?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around proving that if σ is a cycle of odd length, then σ² is also a cycle. The subject area pertains to permutations and cycle notation in abstract algebra.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the proof structure, questioning whether the proof definitively shows that σ² is a single cycle rather than multiple cycles. They also consider whether the proof could apply to even-length cycles.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning the completeness of the proof. Some guidance has been offered regarding the implications of the proof, particularly in relation to the distinctness of elements in the cycle.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the cycle's length and the nature of the elements involved in the proof. There is a focus on ensuring clarity in the representation of the cycles and the assumptions made regarding odd and even lengths.

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Homework Statement



Prove: If σ is a cycle of odd length, then σ2 is a cycle.


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Proof: Assume σ is a cycle of odd length. Then let us model σ as (1 2 3 4 ... 2k +1) for some integer k [assuming here that the fixed elements of σ are those such that 2k + 1 < i]. Note then that σ2 = (1 2 3 4 ... 2k +1)(1 2 3 4 ... 2k +1), which we may otherwise define as σ2(i) = {i + 2, i ≤ 2k - 1; 1, i = 2k; 2, i = 2k + 1; i, 2k + 1 < i}. Hence, the elements 1,2,3,4,...,2k + 1 of σ remain fixed in a cycle, and so σ2 is indeed also a cycle.
 
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Hi Syrus! :smile:
Syrus said:
… σ2 = (1 2 3 4 ... 2k +1)(1 2 3 4 ... 2k +1), which we may otherwise define as σ2(i) = {i + 2, i ≤ 2k - 1; 1, i = 2k; 2, i = 2k + 1; i, 2k + 1 < i}. Hence, the elements 1,2,3,4,...,2k + 1 of σ remain fixed in a cycle, and so σ2 is indeed also a cycle.

How does that prove it's a cycle (and not eg 2 cycles)?

Doesn't your proof also apply to even lengths?
 
I think i understand what you're implying. I have now taken into account the fact that σ is odd- does this seem acceptalbe?

Proof: Assume σ is a cycle of odd length. Then let us model σ as (1 2 3 4 ... 2k + 1) for some integer k [assuming here that the fixed elements of σ are those n such that 2k + 1 < n]. Note then that σ2 = (1 2 3 4 ... 2k +1)(1 2 3 4 ... 2k + 1). Then σ2 can be alternatively represented by (1 3 5 7 ... 2k + 1 2 4 6 8 ... 2k). Since σ(2k) = 2k + 1, σ(2k + 1) = 1, and σ(1) = 2, it follows that σ2(2k) =1 and σ2(2k + 1) = 2. Hence, the elements 1,2,3,4,...,2k + 1 of σ remain fixed in a cycle, and so σ2 is indeed also a cycle.
 
Hi Syrus! :smile:

You could have stopped here
Syrus said:
Then σ2 can be alternatively represented by (1 3 5 7 ... 2k + 1 2 4 6 8 ... 2k).

… you've actually specified the cycle whose existence you had to prove (with all the elements distinct). :wink:
 

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