Can someone please integrate this (hard) (not sure if even possible)

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the expression (x+3)/(x^2+4x). The original poster compares this problem to a similar one in their textbook, (x+2)/(x^2+4x), which they note can be integrated easily.

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Please intergrate: (x+3)/(x^2+4x) is it even possible to integrate this?

The question in the book was (x+2)/(x^2+4x) and it can nicely be integrated to 0.5ln(x^2+4x), but by changing the 2 to a 3 f'(x) don't go into each other. if you know what i mean.
 
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trot said:
Please intergrate: (x+3)/(x^2+4x) is it even possible to integrate this?

The question in the book was (x+2)/(x^2+4x) and it can nicely be integrated to 0.5ln(x^2+4x), but by changing the 2 to a 3 f'(x) don't go into each other. if you know what i mean.

First:

$$\frac{1}{x^2+4x}=\frac{1}{4}\left[\frac{1}{x}-\frac{1}{x+4}\right]$$,

so that

$$\int\frac{x+3}{x^2+4x}=\frac{1}{2}\int\frac{2x+4}{x^2+4x}dx+\int\frac{1}{x^2+4x}dx=\frac{1}{2}\log(x^2+4x)+\frac{1}{4}\log\left(\frac{x}{x+4}\right)+C$$
 
DonAntonio said:
First:

$$\frac{1}{x^2+4x}=\frac{1}{4}\left[\frac{1}{x}-\frac{1}{x+4}\right]$$,

so that

$$\int\frac{x+3}{x^2+4x}=\frac{1}{2}\int\frac{2x+4}{x^2+4x}dx+\int\frac{1}{x^2+4x}dx=\frac{1}{2}\log(x^2+4x)+\frac{1}{4}\log\left(\frac{x}{x+4}\right)+C$$

You are not supposed to do a student's homework---just give hints.

RGV
 
Ray Vickson said:
You are not supposed to do a student's homework---just give hints.

RGV

Right. Please just give hints next time and don't solve the entire problem (even if it's not posted in the homework section: if it looks like homework, then don't give full solutions).
 

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