Can stainless/steel be used as electromagnet?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using stainless steel or other types of steel as a core material for electromagnets, comparing their effectiveness to that of pure iron. Participants explore the magnetic properties of various steel alloys and their implications for electromagnet design.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that while iron is commonly used for electromagnets, stainless steel can also be utilized, albeit with reduced magnetic field strength.
  • One participant notes that the presence of nickel in stainless steel may hinder the alignment of iron molecules, which is crucial for generating a strong magnetic field.
  • Another participant highlights that the magnetic properties of stainless steel vary, with some types exhibiting minimal or no magnetic effect compared to iron.
  • It is mentioned that "electrical steel" is a specific alloy that possesses magnetic properties similar to pure iron and is suitable for applications like transformer cores.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the tendency of most steel types to become permanently magnetized, which could be detrimental for applications requiring a temporary magnetic field.

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Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of stainless steel as an electromagnet core, with no consensus reached on its viability compared to iron. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions under which different steel types may or may not be effective.

Contextual Notes

The discussion acknowledges the variability in magnetic properties among different steel alloys and the implications for electromagnet performance, but does not resolve the complexities involved in these comparisons.

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I know you can used iron wrapped around with copper coil to create electromagnet , can it be done with steel? Or must it always be iron?
 
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dan020350 said:
I know you can used iron wrapped around with copper coil to create electromagnet , can it be done with steel? Or must it always be iron?
You can certainly create an electromagnet with a stainless steel core. You can create an electromagnet with a paper core. It is just that the strength of the magnetic field will not be as high as with a soft iron core. The reason is that the iron molecules in pure iron are like little bar magnets that can align with a magnetic field and thereby increase the magnetic field strength. Paper molecules are not like that. Stainless steel is not that good either because the nickel molecules create bonds with the iron molecules that prevent the iron molecules from moving and aligning with the magnetic field.

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Permanent magnets are still widely used to sort scrap metal.
 
As the Scientific American article points out, there are two main types of stainless steel with different magnetic properties. Compared with iron, the magnetic effect is either small or non-existent.

The term "steel" covers a wide range of different alloys. "Electrical steel" has magnetic properties very similar to pure iron, and is used to make the laminations in transformer cores, etc.

Another issue is that most types of steel tend to become permanently magnetized, unlike iron. This is not very useful for an electromagnet, where you want the magnetic field to disappear when the current is switched off.
 

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