Can superconductors conduct electricity at absolute zero?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of superconductors at absolute zero, particularly focusing on the conductivity of superconductors, the nature of electron movement, and the implications of absolute zero on current flow and resistance. Participants explore theoretical concepts, challenge each other's claims, and clarify misunderstandings related to superconductivity and temperature effects.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that superconductors exhibit infinite conductivity at absolute zero, questioning how current can flow when all motion is said to cease at that temperature.
  • One participant explains that in superconductors, electrons form cooper pairs, which facilitate electrical conductivity, and that these pairs can move even at very low temperatures.
  • Another participant emphasizes that while atoms may have zero kinetic energy at absolute zero, electrons can still move, suggesting that current can flow under these conditions.
  • A participant notes that the DC conductivity of superconductors increases and can become infinite at the superconducting critical temperature (Tc), which is not necessarily at absolute zero.
  • Some participants discuss the challenges of reaching absolute zero, highlighting that it is theoretically impossible to eliminate all particle motion and vibrations.
  • There is a correction regarding the misconception that all motion ceases at absolute zero, clarifying that particles exist in a ground state and cannot lose more energy.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their previous statements regarding the behavior of electrons and acknowledges a lack of a plausible explanation for the original question posed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the implications of absolute zero for current flow and the behavior of electrons in superconductors. There is no consensus on the explanations provided, and multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of motion at absolute zero and its effects on superconductivity.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying interpretations of superconductivity, the role of temperature in conductivity, and the definitions of motion at absolute zero. Some statements rely on assumptions that are not universally accepted among participants.

Nemika
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I've just learned that the conductivity of super conductors increases with decrease in temperature and it becomes infinite at absolute zero. But I thought that all motion ceases at absolute zero. So how can current flow in such conditions? And how can its resistance become zero as some resistance is also offered by the positive ions or maybe the positive charge?
 
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In superconducting materials electrons form pairs known as cooper pairs.When two electrons move towards a positive ion they tend to reach an equilibrium state and become electrically bonded.These cooper pairs are responsible of electrical conductivity in a superconductor.The movement of these cooper pairs lead to photon emission making them to propagate easily through the lattice.Refer BCS theory for more info.
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But can you clear the point that how can current flow at absolute zero when it is theoretically said that all motion ceases at absolute zero.
 
Yes at absolute zero the current flow. From my point of view the atoms have zero kinetic energy but electrons continue to move.
 
Ok. Thanks anyways.
 
Nemika said:
I've just learned that the conductivity of super conductors increases with decrease in temperature and it becomes infinite at absolute zero. But I thought that all motion ceases at absolute zero. So how can current flow in such conditions? And how can its resistance become zero as some resistance is also offered by the positive ions or maybe the positive charge?

Please note that for superconductors, the DC conductivity goes to infinity at and below Tc, the superconducting critical temperature, and not just at absolute zero. This means that for some superconducting compound, this critical temperature can be as high at 130 K.

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Its very hard to freeze a electron.Since electrons are leptons they do not react by mass,that loss of kinetic energy of a substance doesn't stop all electrons.Its because the no of electrons is far greater than the number of positive ions.Hence there is always electromagnetic fluctuations in a substance.So electrons do move due to flux variations.This makes it very difficult to reach absolute temperature.
 
Space Dragon said:
Its very hard to freeze a electron.Since electrons are leptons they do not react by mass,that loss of kinetic energy of a substance doesn't stop all electrons.Its because the no of electrons is far greater than the number of positive ions.Hence there is always electromagnetic fluctuations in a substance.So electrons do move due to flux variations.This makes it very difficult to reach absolute temperature.

I don't think this is correct. Absolute zero is impossible to reach because it is impossible to exactly cancel out all the different vibrations, rotations, and translations that the particles composing a material are undergoing. In addition, the existence of a ground state prevents electrons from losing all of their momentum anyways.

I don't know what 'react by mass' means.
 
I said that because electrons has less mass compared to a positive ion,they react electromagnetically rather than gravitationally(ie.by mass).
I may be wrong but i still don't see any plausible explanation to her question.
Thanks for correcting me anyways.
 
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Space Dragon said:
I said that because electrons has less mass compared to a positive ion,they react electromagnetically rather than gravitationally(ie.by mass).

Well, no, that's not correct either. We can effectively ignore gravitation here, as it has little to nothing to do with why absolute zero is impossible to reach or why superconductors behave the way they do.

Nemika said:
But can you clear the point that how can current flow at absolute zero when it is theoretically said that all motion ceases at absolute zero.

That's a misconception. Motion does not cease at absolute zero. Instead, the particles making up the material would be in their ground state, which is a minimum energy level. They literally cannot lose any more energy and stop moving.
 

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