Can the Normal Force Produce a Torque on an Object on an Incline?

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SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the concept of whether the normal force can produce torque on an object placed on an incline. Participants argue that the normal force acts perpendicular to the surface, suggesting that it does not create torque due to a zero perpendicular distance. However, it is established that the presence of friction can lead to a non-uniform distribution of normal stress, which may result in torque, particularly in square shapes. The conversation highlights the complexity of torque generation in relation to normal forces and friction.

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  • Understanding of basic physics concepts, specifically torque and forces.
  • Familiarity with the properties of normal force and its application on inclined planes.
  • Knowledge of friction and its effects on force distribution.
  • Basic geometry, particularly regarding shapes and their properties.
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  • Research the relationship between normal force and torque in inclined planes.
  • Study the effects of friction on force distribution in rigid bodies.
  • Explore internal stress and its role in torque generation.
  • Examine diagrams illustrating torque generation in various shapes, particularly squares.
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Physics students, educators, and engineers interested in mechanics, particularly those exploring the dynamics of forces and torque in inclined systems.

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Hi everyone I can't understand how normal force produce torque isn't normal force acts normally on the plane so the perpendicular distance in case if it was like block will be zero, so normal force doesn't produce torque. "case of box"
 
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I don't have any idea what you are describing here. Can you please provide a diagram?
 
rashida564 said:
Summary:: Normal force producing torque on inclines.

Hi everyone I can't understand how normal force produce torque isn't normal force acts normally on the plane so the perpendicular distance in case if it was like block will be zero, so normal force doesn't produce torque. "case of box"
Are you referring to internal stress?
 
Is all normal force haze zero torque
 

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Is all normal force haze zero torque
Depends on the friction I think
 
rashida564 said:
Is all normal force haze zero torque
Here's a geometry question for you: If you have a line tangent to a circle, the normal to the line at the point of tangency passes through the center of the circle. True of False.
 
Yes
 
But why square shapes get torque from normal forces
 
rashida564 said:
But why square shapes get torque from normal forces
Please provide a diagram for square shapes.
 
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Square
 

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rashida564 said:
Square
Who says that the normal force results in a torque about the center of the square?
 
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How square in friction surface have net torque of zero
 
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rashida564 said:
How square in friction surface have net torque of zero
Internal "torques" exist in the form of stress.
 
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But internal torques comes in pair so they cancel each other
 
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As @dsaun777 indicates, if friction is present, the normal force is not distributed uniformly over the base of the square, and the normal stress is greater near the downward edge than near the upper edge on the base.
 

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